Silberengel

Another group with a lot of potential is actually orthodox (spelled with a small "o") Christians. There's no "bigger" social media aimed at serving them, and they are a large, highly-literate, politically-persecuted minority, so they tend to spend a lot of time online.
We've been focusing on applications they might like, for that reason. Nostr seems like a good fit and they are over-represented here, already. Just no real "gathering place", yet. Hope #Alexandria can provide that.

2024-09-29 09:25:28

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Oh, right. Yeah, catch 22. Deletions on Nostr are so retarded, geez.

2024-09-29 09:16:13

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It's a vicious cycle. Person not interested in BitcoinTwitter opens Nostr app, sees nothing but BitcoinTwitter, keeps seeing nothing but BitcoinTwitter, closes Nostr app. 😭

2024-09-29 09:13:33

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3/
The simplest thing is to just not accept kind 01 notes older than x date, and then you can delete all of the deletion requests for those older notes.

2024-09-29 09:05:50

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They always do that, so that, if the note ever trickles in, later, it doesn't show up in REQs.
I think I'm going to start publishing notes with an expiration date, so that they don't have to save deletion requests.

2024-09-29 09:04:00

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Yeah, very difficult to just do your own thing, on here. Everything is setup, to encourage us all to follow and interact with a small handful of people, on a small handful of relays, using clients built by a small handful of devs. Extremely concentrated, ironically.
Not living up to the potential, at all.

2024-09-29 08:52:57

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My deletion script does the same. They all do. We have to correct for everyone use the Mutiny blastr, which does the same thing, when broadcasting.
I'm changing mine, so that it goes through the list, finds out which kind 01 notes are on that specific relay (if any) and then only sends deletion requests for those specific notes. But this is much slower, than just blasting every deletion request for every note ever produced.
I have like 50k notes, so you can imagine the deletion spam...

2024-09-29 07:27:38

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Much easier.
Post a picture of your bare tits, some vegetables, be a dev of a popular client, or be well-known from someplace else, basically.
Influencing for beginners.
Or just be an honest gamer and offer sats for boosts. I actually respect that because they're like, "Okay, let's just cut the crap..."

2024-09-29 05:07:14

Twitter was thousands of people standing on a stage, talking down to their millions of adoring fans.
Nostr is the same, but with two fewer decimal places.

2024-09-27 17:56:01

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I know, right? Miss polls from Twitter.

2024-09-27 15:53:17

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Yes, it's too broad. I could see it adding real value as a sort of "personal search worker" for finding something more unusual than "dev stuff" or "Catholic stuff" or "stuff about biking".

2024-09-27 09:50:44

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It tells me that my handful of sats will be worth a gazillion dollars, in thirty years, but not what I will be able to buy with those sats.

2024-09-27 09:39:49

I was thinking about this, and I think having crappy equipment and crappy Internet has given me the weird requirements-engineering advantage of trying to think of ways to do things offline or with reduced bandwidth/processing.
I'm always thinking, okay... and now assume the Internet sometimes doesn't work or is glacially slow, or the power to the router occasionally shuts down, or your mobile data is out of range or you're using some really old, 2-thread netbook that your Uncle Robert gave you, or you've only got 1 GB of storage available, or you're looking at it on ePaper, or working offline on a long train ride... Will it still work? Will it work smoothly?
Because, you know, that's what most people's communications are actually like. I want to design things that work... for most people.
#SecondWorldProblems
#note167z…rqk4

2024-09-27 07:05:53

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Not really, sorry. 😂
I actually covet the laptop, more. 😍 Total development game-changer.

2024-09-27 06:59:37

#naddr1qv…c0gw

2024-09-27 05:19:30

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I meant, here, one of the kids (traditionally eldest son) never moves out; their spouse moves in to the family house and he buys the "inheritance portions" of the other kids, when the parents die, and then the house is his. This is in return for taking care of the parents and their home, in old age.
It's a multigenerational model because there are a lot of farms and small businesses around here, and the houses are often large or contain multiple apartments.

2024-09-27 05:05:12

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Also, free childcare and less housework.

2024-09-27 05:02:47

How much Bitcoin do you need, to actually feel richer, when the price goes up?
#askingforafriend

2024-09-27 04:58:26

GM
#nevent1q…jmw3

2024-09-27 04:57:53

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Sticking to the ancestral home reduces your economic and dating opportunities, but it also reduces your living costs by half or more, indefinitely.
We're four adults, living a middle class lifestlyle on one income because
No Mortgage No Rent Share Maintenance.

2024-09-27 04:52:17

Buying your own house isn't as useful, as inheriting the one you already live in for free.
Blessed.

2024-09-27 04:49:28

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It's usually the other way around, here. Kids live with their parents. Families occupy the same house for generations, with children moving in and out and back in.

2024-09-27 04:27:32

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Yeah, constantly have to delete and add them to the list, manually, to change the feed or write to a specific one. Do that multiple times per day.

2024-09-27 04:24:27

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GFY and GM

2024-09-27 04:22:45

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I use the CLI like a package manager.

2024-09-27 04:21:09

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💯

2024-09-27 04:17:00

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I'm in the stage, where I need an alarm clock, to wake my kids up.

2024-09-27 03:42:33

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Well, the internet being dodgy is making the code I produce more efficient, since otherwise my stuff doesn't work, so there's that. 😂

2024-09-26 20:31:22

GN, from your favorite middle-aged, black, busty, gray-eyed, developer, tester, female, who lives on a mountain, surrounded by forests, and has a crappy phone with dodgy Internet.
Out of all of them, I'm definitely your favorite one.
But it was a close race.
https://image.nostr.build/591b185bc45e8462b3f99797a7dee94a68431900ad26b77ded14127a7bc53d01.png

2024-09-26 11:10:22

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Yeah, unfortunately, jobs pay fiat. 🙈

2024-09-26 07:47:45

Does anyone know how to self-host oddbean?
https://oddbean.com/

2024-09-26 07:39:33

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I think I'm being rate-limited or something. Got a warning.

2024-09-26 07:21:21

If your njump is slow, use https://nostr.at/

2024-09-26 06:49:15

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Nostrudel, Amethyst, Nostter, etc.

2024-09-26 06:44:34

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ReplyGuy is no longer replying. 😅

2024-09-26 04:16:58

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Made it a poll:
https://nostr-polls.vercel.app/respond/80e833a6202ec85cf6d1dbab5757ab3355d08d6c8d7d4088e01d6c0a2a1fb00b

2024-09-25 20:00:02

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My global is so neat, now. Not just the one from my relay; from a whole list of relays. All pleasant relays. 😊

2024-09-25 19:59:11

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Yeah, hashtags are nice. I sometime search for them. Or I click on them, when someone uses them, and scroll through the results.
Just realized that changing clients all the time cause me to drop wheat from my list. Added it back in.

2024-09-25 19:46:38

You can tell who the popular npubs are because every damn thing they post has like 50 reactions and 20 zaps. Even if they just accidentally typed two letters and pressed send. 😅
Almost all other notes have no interactions. Complete bifurcation.
I suspect that most people hardly see anything at all, in their feed. Because they only follow the very top accounts and never look at global, their feeds are note deserts.

2024-09-25 19:41:53

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How does your result overlap with the nostr.watch data? Are they looking at fewer relays or are they filtering out more of them, to get their 700ish result?

2024-09-25 19:33:39

Just looking directly at a relay stream is a fascinating experience. You don't really understand what Nostr even is, until you've experienced "global".

2024-09-25 19:32:32

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2024-09-25 19:14:06

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I only know of https://hotrightnow.nostr1.com , but I think it doesn't scan images. That would be next-level.

2024-09-25 17:22:53

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Like that header. 🤔
https://allbestfonts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/georgia1.png

2024-09-25 17:16:56

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😅 Maybe because I'm old and half-blind.

2024-09-25 17:13:58

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Well, our wss://thecitadel.nostr1.com relays is an OtherStuff relay, that we are going to put the Alexandria books on. So, it's the primary building that the library lives in. And we're going to make it so that you can wander through the library and find interesting books, by labeling the books and clustering similar books together.
The wss://christpill.nostr1.com relay tends to have lots of bible and religious stuff on it, and we'll probably we cross-posting to their, from Alexandria.
There could be a cooking and baking relay, where notes end up, when people label them with # foodstr or something.

2024-09-25 16:19:44

This is the beauty of the #outbox model. It allows us to disintermediate the really big streams, into a bunch of brooks that cross-cross and meander.
This is what my stream looks like.
https://i.nostr.build/EkFinQtAmKMr49Kz.jpg
#nevent1q…d5pt

2024-09-25 16:00:53

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I've been thinking about this a lot, lately.
Why do we have these "recommended follow" lists, for newbies, that invariably lead to a zillion people following 100 people? Cuz the big, free relays are so full of crap, that everyone only looks at their follow list feed. After all, how else are you going to find something worth reading, in all that mess, if you can't look at the relay stream?
Well, the best answer is:
YOU LOOK AT A BETTER RELAY STREAM.
What is a better relay stream?
A STREAM SOMEONE IS ACTUALLY WILLING TO LOOK AT.
But doesn't that censor people?
NO, BECAUSE ANYONE CAN BUILD THEIR OWN STREAM.
We can share streams. We can have overlapping streams (by syncing our relays with #RelayNeighbors). We can have custom cobbled-together streams from different topic relays and geographically-limited relays, and a couple of personal relays.
We can have streams consisting of 1 stream or 15 streams, from all over the planet. There should be no SinglePointOfTruth on Nostr, or even TenPointsOfTruth, just lots of plebs hanging out with people they wanna hang out with and reading stuff about things they find interesting, and basta.

2024-09-25 15:46:05

https://image.nostr.build/717520697f282a9a414e0d911d7b693ed53d4bb1f276a74eaaa7546de41a700b.png

2024-09-25 15:37:28

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That delay must be why I've been having trouble with Amber. It seems to struggle with AUTH.

2024-09-25 15:36:52

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I made got rid of AUTH-on-read on my outbox, by the way.

2024-09-25 15:32:36

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The guys are all really sad that the style change meant we no longer have everything in hot pink. I insist, once again, that pink is an underrated color.
https://image.nostr.build/b1f55b05176d0713fb4b513d8a03e1eed391e15fbeb0d5f6e3802a5bf5721fed.png

2024-09-25 15:24:29

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Which common fonts are the left ones closest to?
https://www.bulletinbottle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popular-serif-fonts.png
https://www.bulletinbottle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popular-sans-serif-fonts.png

2024-09-25 15:24:29

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2024-09-25 15:16:21

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The one on the left reads so much better. Wow. Huge difference.

2024-09-25 15:10:48

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🤣
My follow list was also a mess, except when it had just been nuked.

2024-09-25 15:09:33

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Ahhh... clever. That's interesting.

2024-09-25 15:08:28

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Me: Hmm... I could just copy in their follow lists! 💡
Me, half an hour later:
https://media.tenor.com/kReVPYNG9jMAAAAC/10.gif

2024-09-25 15:07:02

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Are duplicates allowed intentionally, or is that just something you hadn't checked for, because you weren't expected 7 people to moderate one relay? 😅

2024-09-25 15:00:32

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@npub10np…tl5h do you auto-remove duplicates?

2024-09-25 15:00:03

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Please enter individual npubs, and only if they aren't already whitelisted. (just search the page for the hexID number)
But don't just copy in your follow lists, as I've been looking at them and some of them are buggy (@npub1wqf…qsyn check your json), full of abandoned npubs, and have spam and impersonators and stuff, in them. It's a bit of a mess. 🫣 😅

2024-09-25 14:52:17

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Just go to https://relay.tools/ and login, by clicking on the circle on the top-right. Then select "My Relays" and then click on TheForest. Then go down to the menu item Access Control Lists and you can edit the list, there, by entering people's npub or hexID.
https://image.nostr.build/b2a992b1e656a505e923b7bbdd22a748dd68f19ac10c64c839c35e04fdd6aeb9.png

2024-09-25 14:41:24

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Okay, it's now only write-protected and not read-protected @npub10np…tl5h . And I added @npub1wqf…qsyn
@npub1m3x…a5sf @npub1q6y…t3sh @npub1ecd…s735 @npub1356…805u @npub1qdj…fqm7 and @npub1s3h…75wz as moderators. You can all edit the allow list and add anyone you think I've forgotten.
It's now a GitCitadel-associated relay, which makes sense, since that's who's paying for it. This can be the default relay for our products, for all the socializing stuff, like comments and highlights.

2024-09-25 14:26:08

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If you're on the computer, you can just use Nostrudel and setup a local relay as an app relay for writing. Then you can toggle the writing on-and-of.
If you're on Amethyst on Android, use Amber and Citrine, and then you can write only to your local relay, by selecting it in the writing form (click on the symbol above the text-entry field) or by adjusting the settings in the relay management page.
But, increasingly, the relays themselves are going to allow you to define what goes where and to whom.

2024-09-25 12:52:31

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wss://theforest.nostr1.com

2024-09-25 12:52:07

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I'll add yours to my write list! 😊 I'll be using that list for relay syncing, soon, so I'll remember to get the hookup with y'all.

2024-09-25 12:50:35

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You and @npub1r8u…fjwl are already whitelisted. 👍

2024-09-25 12:45:23

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#yestrs

2024-09-25 12:31:13

Should I keep theforest as a read-protected relay, or only write-protected? (I have other read-protected relays, now.)

2024-09-25 11:00:48

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You're still on my relay. 😂

2024-09-25 10:35:03

Case in point.
Everyone who wants to unfollow me is welcome to do so.
If you don't want to see my stuff, don't read it. If you don't want me to read your stuff, don't publish it someplace where I can read it.
#note1ahm…50ww

2024-09-25 10:30:59

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Didn't notice. Has no effect.

2024-09-25 10:25:59

Relays are there, to determine what you MIGHT want to see.
Lists (including follows) are there, to determine what you DEFINITELY want to see.
If your global feed is something you would never want to look at, directly, you might want to adjust your relays.
https://media.tenor.com/ARsMgq_KnqEAAAAC/not-picky-standards.gif

2024-09-25 04:33:27

In the future, the biggest relays won't contain any social media notes.

2024-09-25 04:11:20

Nostr is when you can build your own Internet.
#nevent1q…p34u

2024-09-25 04:09:16

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'm mostly working on OtherStuff, tho, so maybe that's why I am more intentional, about what I write, were. I wouldn't want to spam Damus with gobs of application data events or every.damn.commit.from.every.damn.repo. 😂
Like, there's no point in publishing every single event ever created to Nostr.Band. It won't be long, until most events are OtherStuff and/or machine-generated, and cloud relays cost hardly anything, if you already have space in the cloud.
Why publish your company's financial statement or the patient database record from your hospital to nos.lol? 🤷🏻‍♀️ You could put that data anywhere you put a websocket.
I mean, your snazzy, new refrigerator, with a touchscreen, could have a relay, and @ you, when the milk runs out. Why should that transmission go over Damus?

2024-09-25 04:06:57

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Yes, I save the drafts to a local relay (for privacy). I think most clients save to a database or cache, but I prefer using relays, where possible.
Once it's done, I publish to my personal cloud relay and then broadcoast from there (or not, I sometimes leave things only for the people I share a relay with, as not everything I post online is meant to be publicly viewable, and my cloud really is AUTH-TO-READ).

2024-09-24 22:18:17

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I usually build from scratch, too, (have to, builds don't work), but I like to try out the builds, first.

2024-09-24 22:17:38

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I do. It's the same with the repos. I'm probably the only person using the builds, for instance. Most build from scratch and there are only like 3 other devs even using it. 😅

2024-09-24 22:14:54

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It's usually only regular users who encounter the problems. We both tend to try new things out, every day, whereas most people have a few clicks as a routine, twice per week, and they don't waver from that.

2024-09-24 20:53:42

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Maybe because the horizontal lines make it easier to read?

2024-09-24 19:59:40

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I'm nearly a boomer, so if the shoe fits... 😅
But, yes, people keep telling me that it's old-fashioned to expect software to work properly. Also, I can self-host everything and reprogram all applications myself, which sounds great.
I mean, why wouldn't I reprogram 5 different buggy clients, instead of building a client that does something completely different?
Let's all just rebuild the same shit, over and over and over...

2024-09-24 19:49:06

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I don't think so, as they don't work well with any of my other accounts, either, and other people are also experiencing similar problems.
Everything is constantly being fiddled with, but there is no regression testing, so changing Thing X makes Thing Y break, and it takes them a while to notice. Then they fix Thing Y and Thing Z breaks...

2024-09-24 19:44:25

The "normal" GUI clients now work so badly, for me, that I'm mostly limited to the command line and writing directly to https://theforest.nostr1.com
I do not understand why we can't have nice things.

2024-09-24 19:16:03

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Can it automatically tell, to write like that, since the first words are capitalized?
I should do that with the Bible books. I've been waiting, for us to finalize the changes to the spec, so that I can transfer everything to Asciidoc, from Markdown, and then clean it up. But that sort of lettering is so classy, fr. Antique.

2024-09-24 19:07:30

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I love the LETTERING!!
@npub149p…722q
This is #Asciidoc, at work! 🤩
We can create truly elegant, beautiful, documents.

2024-09-24 19:01:58

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Let me update the documentation with the screenshots.

2024-09-24 19:01:34

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Oh, good grief, that looks so lovely. I'm gobsmacked.

2024-09-24 18:32:28

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Alby Hub is down.
That's actually different from the Minibits issue, but it means I'm down on both wallets, now. 😅

2024-09-24 18:23:29

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Oh, damn, it's real.
https://image.nostr.build/79278fb5b1977004eebcf6301110e8349bb8b3411ce6969121cfc87f94d49348.png

2024-09-24 18:21:18

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Oh, wow, that's bad.
But the zaps have been going through. Weird.

2024-09-24 18:03:36

I saw the #Minibits announcement, today. I was wondering why the software had suddenly stopped working with zaps, and now deducts the money from my account, but doesn't send it.
Just leaves it in draft, permanently. Where does the draft eCash go?

2024-09-24 15:17:29

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But, that post would create a provable association, between you and the community, which might result in being listed under "members". The readers would be unknown, unless they AUTH, so they remain merely "followers".

2024-09-24 15:15:13

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I can easily imagine that most communities will allow anyone to follow, but will set criteria for everything else. Even paying-to-post would require you to get past a blacklist, for instance, but you wouldn't necessarily need to somehow gain membership, beforehand, as your post being accepted as an entry is de facto membership as a "contributor".

2024-09-24 15:12:35

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I think "following" a community denotes being mostly passive (i.e. a reader, who wants to "favorite" or "bookmark" the community, so that they can find it easy again and observe changes to its state), whereas "membership" denotes a more active state. Perhaps a person who has some status to affect changes to that state (a moderator, a writer, someone who adds books to the common library), and there are different types or levels of membership, depending upon how the community is defined.

2024-09-24 11:10:06

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I know more people that have been grossed out by it, than turned on, but Bitcoin contains its own acquisition-incentive, as a money.

2024-09-24 09:38:49

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🫶 bro, fr

2024-09-24 08:24:51

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A team that is too deeply integrated into a movement is just a cluster of followers. It isn't capable of independent or novel ideas, and won't add much to the overall effort, beyond what the individuals would each add.
It has to make sure everything will be approved by the movement, particularly the leaders, and will just emit more groupthink and make incremental changes. It's a mere spin-off, not an independent organisation.
Spin-offs are useful, but if you only have spin-offs...

2024-09-24 08:10:35

I like having a small, rather exclusive npub because I often write logical, obviously valid things about economics, social dynamics, IT infrastructure or software architecture, that causes many people to completely meltdown in the comments or draws in hordes of The Great Outraged and mass-mutings.
I find dealing with the emotional outbursts they emit, due to their own cognitive dissonance, rather tiresome and exhausting, and I'm not willing to just post platitudes and pics, so I hide out in irrelevance, and wait for the majority to mentally catch up to where I am at, because someone more popular says the same thing, which usually takes a few weeks or months.
I never get credit for novel ideas, only punishment, so I have no incentive to share my thoughts with any wider audience. There are only a few people who are up to this, so I focus on writing for them.