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Ebben a válogatásban az elmúlt évad legélesebb pillanatait fűztük össze arról, hogyan záródik lassan a digitális ketrec — a chat controltól a digitális euróig és a társadalmi pontrendszerig. De a kontroll nem mindenható, és te sem vagy kiszolgáltatott: a Bitcoin olyan pénz, amit nem lehet letiltani, a Nostr pedig olyan hang, amit nem lehet elhallgattatni.
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I was thinking whear are you when we talk about spark... 😉🤣
Yes, fees to exit unilaterally should be comparable to Ark as it also uses this kind of transaction chain to be broadcasted.
There are many variables which can be tweaked:
- number and sie of the leaves/vTXOs
- depth of the chain to broadcast
- timelocks
- fee/rate
Ark solutions have this periodical onlineness requirement and ongoing fees for rounds as wrll which make them have different tradeoffs.
Spark works now, but no wallet should be locked in to it. Let it and the alternatives evolve. Our job is to keep our eyes open and assess the risks.
But is this something that e.g. Wallet of Satoshi should be doing proactively? Either when transactions are made, or wake up daily to do consolidation or something. I don't understand the details well.
If we can help in any way with testing we will!
Dude if you do this you'll make me the happiest man ever. We've been trying to think of ways around it and we did think of a hack but we don't think it could be relayed. Official cluster package relay would be a game changer for users.
Yes, the feature was added to our tool today: https://github.com/blinkbitcoin/spark-unilateral-exit/pull/11
The consolidation comes with a tradeoff between efficient unilateral exit and fast transactions (lacking denominations will need more swaps with SSPs at payment time).
https://blossom.primal.net/64292f781d0778d13692bdb0f94521b4a16e92cb053734aa26ae6310e61b199b.png
Spark is a scam sidechain is NOT Bitcoin. You were exiting from a sidechain.
https://i.postimg.cc/SNdL4LvJ/breez-spark-dog.gif
Finally some more information on Spark unilateral exit
#nevent1q…8920
Still dom't onow the common name of this flower (in Latin: Ipomoea). It blooms at dawn only.
https://image.nostr.build/43ca4494ca01a6b780b4d6331392a357dea625dae1d1f6c824a4c0d6ae7e6304.jpg
#nature #flower #photo #flowerstr #naturestr #artstr
I've abandoned budgeting years ago. Since I've bacame bitcoin billonaire. Just joking 😁 (I never stopped budgeting despite of my billions😁)
Do you think Spark and Ark require comparable fees to exit unilaterally? Have you seen a similar study for Ark?
This data liveness requirement is painful but I think comparable to the pain of expiring VTXOs in Ark. There you already always have the state to publish for the unilateral exit but you (wallet or watchtower) must monitor the expiry deadlines.
Of course the other thing is that ark operators are less trusted since they cannot conspire to steal funds.
However I still love Spark because at the end of the day operators don't have enormous liquidity requirements and this will make a big difference in adoption.
Also in Ark has that constant periodical refresh from user wallets, that doesn't look good to me. I don't necessarily open my wallets every month and this is going to be a problem when a lot of users realize this (or have to pay extra for a refresher service).
All in all love the innovation of the L2 space
I stopped using Spark wallets many months ago... 🤷♂
Basically, if something happens in Spark, the miners will be very happy... 😅
I strongly recommend @Zeus (LND embedded), which now works really well... 😎👍
https://zeusln.com
#spark #zeus #wallet
Ark (bark) launched like couple weeks ago. Spark had head start. I haven't followed arkade recently...
Can the wallets be optimized to always try doing the lowest number of leaves? So when you actually need to exit, it's only a couple...
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Correction: "seed only, no operators" compressed two steps. The leaf data (recovery bundle) must be fetched while operators are online. The exit itself then needs nothing from them: seed + saved bundle is the accurate claim. Full mechanics and costs: https://github.com/blinkbitcoin/spark-unilateral-exit/blob/main/docs/mainnet-exit-case-study.md
Correction: "seed only, no operators" compressed two steps. The leaf data (recovery bundle) must be fetched while operators are online. The exit itself then needs nothing from them: seed + saved bundle is the accurate claim. Full mechanics and costs: https://github.com/blinkbitcoin/spark-unilateral-exit/blob/main/docs/mainnet-exit-case-study.md
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Én szeretnék egy példányt!
They didn't Christoph, they lied. They pulled the recovery data from a spark operator using their mnemonic.
Yes, correct, one either keeps a server up with their seed or the mobile does it.
In Blink we will have event-driven and likely also periodical refresh built in.
Problem is any time you transact (and sometimes other times!) the “recovery bundle” changes. So you can’t back it up/download it, your wallet needs to support this natively (and I don’t believe any do).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyKOmAQIP_g
The data-availability dependency is real and worth stating exactly, so let's state it.
Operators never hold your key and can't move funds without your signature - that part is unconditional. Unilateral exit works through pre-signed refund txs that pay to a key only you control, and those txs plus their ancestors are the "leaf data" in question: your device co-signs them at claim time, ancestors come from a query. Until a wallet persists that data, forcing your funds on-chain depends on operator liveness. Grubles is right that no wallet ships this today. That gap is the entire reason I built and published this tooling instead of just claiming "non-custodial" in marketing copy.
What the dependency actually is, once you persist the data:
Bounded: everything covered by your last refresh exits without any operator, forever. Exposure is only what changed since then. With refresh wired into every claim, that window is one transaction.
Detectable: withholding means your refresh fails right after your claim succeeded. You notice, you stop receiving, you exit with what you have. - Compare a custodian, where withholding looks like normal operation until the withdrawal freeze.
So on the spectrum: weaker than Lightning, where your node holds channel state by construction. Much stronger than custodial, where they hold both keys and data and you detect nothing. "Self-custody of keys with a bounded, detectable data-availability dependency" is the honest label.
Wallets that don't manage that dependency for users are shipping the weak end of the spectrum. Mine included, today. That is what is being fixed, and the case study is the receipt that the exit half already works:
https://github.com/blinkbitcoin/spark-unilateral-exit/blob/main/docs/mainnet-exit-case-study.md
You needed the operator to give you the leaves in the first place
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The only way to get the offchain data from the operators why they are online.
Wallets should (Blink will) implement periodic background polling for data.
Find the case study here if getting 404 from github:
https://njump.me/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzp2kq0k2s388x4hcghy2k6s7p5j44jnrpxzmaevfwcxvsprzcrx30qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2ap0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wdp6j7qq4d9zy2h64tfmks7nctpmkg36v2e05x4nwty8vne59
The repo was just made public, might be lagging to show:
https://github.com/blinkbitcoin/spark-unilateral-exit
I am curious to check it out, but the link is not working for me.
How would you derive the Offchain data for the recovery from the seed without the operator?
How does your experience compare to this view?
https://x.com/notgrubles/status/2074624676978962867
I just force-exited a non-custodial Blink wallet (using Spark) on Bitcoin mainnet.
Seed only - no operator cooperation: recovery bundle, fee funding, CPFP signing and sweep all derived from the wallet seed.
The honest numbers for a 100k sat wallet:
• 22 leaves, 253 tx packages to exit fully
• only 4 leaves (90% of the value) were worth exiting - fees would have eaten the other18
• ~9.4k sats in fees to recover 90.1k, one package per block per chain, then a ~2-week timelock
Non-custodial means you can always leave. But the fire escape is narrow - full case study with costs, failures and lessons:
https://github.com/blinkbitcoin/spark-unilateral-exit/blob/main/docs/mainnet-exit-case-study.md
https://blossom.primal.net/3771944c21849fd461b5a1a2cd13515755f1d232690ea5b633fd2b7c95f5135c.png
@nprofile…r5mh I wrote you a message, but looks like you don't get it.
Nostr OG 💪 https://hortopato.cc/89c8c001f2dac377c029cdccbad7eebaccda2fbcb4f88d7abcc4ef0b872863f0.jpg
Yes, I think I'm about to experience that.
I only have 25GB of storage right now 😂
I have experience running relays. Open relays tend to hoard multi Gb of note data.
It was on my side, don't bother with it.
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Ez az évad utolsó epizódja - segíts, hogy ősszel folytathassuk! 🧡
Az AI hamarosan szinte ingyenessé teszi az intelligenciát, de Feri szerint pont ettől lesz fontosabb maga az ember a mesterséges intelligencia és a humanoid robotok korában. A Bitcoin Miskolc konferencia alapítójával a feltétel nélküli alapjövedelemről, a robotorvosokról beszélgetünk, valamint arról, miért nem lesz soha semmi igazán ingyen. Közben az is kiderül, hogy jön mindehhez a Bitcoin, és miért lehet épp a mostani „nyári kiárusítás” generációk legjobb döntése.
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If this relative "spotlight" disturbes or confuses you, the simplest method is: do not post 🙃. But I think you are happy with this new feeling and you aren't in the basement anymore. Feel free to polarize the people! Nostr is the right place for weirdos! Don't be nervous, just do it if you want 👍♥️
Next time you'll rhink about this case 🙂
In the current shape, it is for sure.
Just managed to play a heavyly modded version on my gaming pc. Good times!
IDK 🤷🏻♀️ BUT I did sleep well 😴
A kind of jellish hot chili in the salsa sauce?
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