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Atproto has more in common with Keet than nostr, but neither atproto nor nostr solve the social media bigtech dilemma as the basis of that is using servers and only keet has solved not using servers

2025-11-13 02:06:27 UTC

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It won't disappoint. It's basically just about ready to replace Signal , WhatsApp etc and more, they have livestreaming in public testing now too and heaps of features coming

2025-11-10 11:51:54 UTC

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Keet 3 years ago didn't support mobile and had a group chat limit of about 50 people. It now supports mobile and has no group limits with one group already with 13000 people, it has a heap of new features including things like livestreaming

2025-11-10 04:56:57 UTC

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Oh it exists keet.io

2025-11-10 01:25:19 UTC

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Keets way more advanced than nostr

2025-11-08 03:27:28 UTC

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Forget signal
Forget AWS
Use keet.io

2025-11-08 03:26:01 UTC

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Keet makes signal irrelevant

2025-11-07 01:05:52 UTC

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It's called p2p 😂

2025-11-07 01:04:38 UTC

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Or use another decentralized solution... One that needs no centralization on top

2025-11-07 00:52:12 UTC

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Something better than lightning is coming. Something like what was built with Keet can't not have implications for transacting value

2025-11-07 00:46:27 UTC

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Nostr never solved the actual problem which is servers, Holepunch with Keet did

2025-11-07 00:44:49 UTC

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Bluesky's protocol is more in line with what Keet is doing. Tbh you will either have to reverse engineer what keet is doing or wait till it's more public to know more exactly but I doubt the social bit is anything exciting, it's the P2P bits they have already opened which would be

2025-11-07 00:40:29 UTC

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Very few use it currently but its UX is nearly good enough to replace WhatsApp and in some ways already better. The fundamental difference Keet has from Signal, Simplex, Nostr etc is Keet can already scale with no cost to bigger than WhatsApp
Holepunch has been quietly working on a tech stack that's going to completely change the tech sector

2025-11-06 00:08:21 UTC

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The UI is so basically yes

2025-11-05 04:47:46 UTC

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P2P is better suited for everything. Every peer in a P2P platform can be a relay. When you relay a message your IP is not directly associated. Even then things like onion routing in a P2P platform are totally possible with the added benefit of more nodes. Infact the lack of fixed static nodes makes network attacks ie logging ips at the routers or servers much harder
No offense but have you considered the viability of keychat? Playforms like signal, matrix and more hit scaling and funding issues, even telegram would have this problem. What technology stack can scale to whatsapps 3billion users tomorrow with no costs or service interruptions? What tech stack is unaffected if AWS or any data center goes down?
You should know the answer P2P

2025-11-05 04:37:14 UTC

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I love nostr but it hasn't solved servers so I see something like keet as much more hopeful
I just tried bitchat again and this time obviously after many updates it works. It's disturbing it requires location access tho, so I removed it
The basic issue with servers is someone needs to run them and in lieu of some giant corp paying people to do that it just never happens at scale even then funding it is difficult and compromises ux. P2P circumvents that problem by integrating the server software into ever app and making it run automatically
Something like nostr could certainly run P2P which is basically what keet is doing but unlike nostr the social protocol in keet is still hidden but all the P2P stuff isn't

2025-11-05 01:53:29 UTC

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You can verify it you put the effort. From the ethos of the people building it tho I would trust it especially way more than telegram or whatsapp

2025-11-05 01:51:17 UTC

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How did you find them? I love Keet but bitchat didn't work for me when I tried it and Keychat still uses server so won't succeed

2025-11-05 00:28:49 UTC

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They are my speculations, tbh P2P solves so many problems it's worth trying. They never fully open source anything yet, they plan to next year
The early versions of keet on desktop had all the source available in the install location which they later obfuscated but is still available
The app and tech is extremely promising and looks near 100% will replace all current tech. You need to realise any problem centralised tech and data centres etc solve P2P can solve and actually solve better but it just needs different thinking

2025-11-03 20:17:31 UTC

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Because some of keet remains closed its not fully certain what the issues are, which is probably the biggest issue, but from having used it here is some ideas and speculationsI have
Direct IP connections exposing your IP. These do not happen all the time tho
Main id, username and screen name exposed to every room
Seems like no forward secrecy on the P2P distributed room data
Seems the room data can be freely distributed to anyone that knows it exists but there is obviously an issue identifying it given peers also encrypt connections to each other
Notifications on mobile in some part (said to be encrypted obviously) go via Google and apples servers
Each room message is identifiable to each device
Screenshot message data might be matchable to room hash data
Might be possible to forge results with their username system then maybe mitm is possible etc

2025-11-03 19:53:29 UTC

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-Keet can link one id across unlimited devices
-Keet rooms have moderation and persistence unlike any other platform. All peers leaving a room is a nonsensical argument. You can remove keet from all active devices in a room and still recover the room if a copy exists
-Keet relays most messages by default hiding ips, onion routing can be added to keet in future and you are free to use a VPN or onion routing on your network connection etc
Keets infrastructure grows with every device, it has no scaling limits or cost. The developer of Keet is extremely focused on privacy

2025-11-03 19:34:55 UTC

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Less than 1% of people will run a server where as 100% run the P2P app, server client does not scale

2025-11-03 19:31:49 UTC

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Signals server is unverifiable and vulnerable to mitm, the app you download could use modified source code or the compiler or app store could modify it, the open source libraries used by signal could be comprised too, your system or hardware may be comprised

2025-11-03 19:26:51 UTC

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Already available https://github.com/holepunchto/keet-mobile-releases

2025-11-03 06:28:17 UTC

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Keet is P2P, there is no way xchat is P2P

2025-11-03 06:22:48 UTC

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What are the main features from session you would like in Keet?

2025-11-03 06:19:40 UTC

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Keet uses other peers to relay, it's just everyone in P2P can be one
Alot of the metadata and other security issues with keet are yet to be addressed but can be

2025-11-03 06:16:26 UTC

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Keet sacrifices scalability? Has greater friction? Fluidity? Like wtf are you talking about? Nothing can scale as easy as Keet, nothing. I don't know of any apps with lower friction either...

2025-11-02 00:13:18 UTC

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It moves bandwidth use more local so it will reduce backhaul use. It's main drawback is trying to work out how to do it given no one has ever before. Also updating the "server" software requires every peer to update

2025-11-01 02:40:20 UTC

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It works by making every keet app a server. The term peer means equal. So rather than have different apps ie a client and server app filling different functions, you have one app filling all functions. Hence we have the term peer to peer were everything is between equals
It turns out P2P is actually far superior to client server. It has differences that require much thinking to work out how to do them but once implemented it can not be matched for speed and scaling

2025-11-01 02:31:58 UTC

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A proprietary communication tool used by over 3 billion people. Meta the company that runs it is famous for spying on its users
Getting the world off WhatsApp onto a more free app should be a huge priority for everyone. Apps like signal can not solve this problem because they do not scale with no costs, only P2P can solve this

2025-11-01 02:21:10 UTC

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It's the coolest app

2025-11-01 02:20:19 UTC

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Not at all as Keet is the one to replace them all. I watched their dev for years and it was a long hard road to get where they are today. They are merely a few features away from an app that's better than WhatsApp that can out scale it too and at no cost. Literally at any moment the entire planet can switch to Keet and it will work better because of it. No other app has ever existed like this before

2025-11-01 02:16:43 UTC

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There is only one chat app that can replace WhatsApp today and that's Keet

2025-11-01 02:15:47 UTC

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Keet is shit how? It's very functional currently. You can not be banned on Keet. It works in China, Russia and Iran. It can't be stopped. It's being rapidly improved. Things like livestreaming are now in testing with new features every 2 weeks

2025-11-01 02:12:30 UTC

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Guy uses it full time and loves it. He has invested in his own app using the same software stack as keet. His app is called peardrive and seeks to solve file sharing
Keet is the real thing, it works well enough today and is rapidly improving. Most important it uses fully P2P tech breaking the matrix that is current big tech. When keet takes off there is nothing that can stop it. It scales like nothing else and passes through blocks and limits with ease

2025-11-01 02:07:45 UTC

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Keet is killing it now, 4.6 is nearly out and will have more cool features. Not long and it will be better than WhatsApp then later hopefully discord too

2025-11-01 02:05:17 UTC

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No they use other peers to relay messages. There is still some quirks with larger files they are working out, I think mainly with making sure the mobile apps get a copy off somewhere before suspending in the background and really big files might need the app to keep running so they might have to wake it up or something

2025-10-31 06:43:19 UTC

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No issues with Keet

2025-10-31 01:21:07 UTC

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Keet is 90% open with a commitment to open the rest next year when they come out of beta. Currently unlike WhatsApp keet has no user costs, no need to find money for growth so no need to sell data etc. Keet is fundamentally different than any big tech app in existence, it seeks to completely change the dynamics of the existing tech industry removing the need for data centers and heavy backhaul use

2025-10-31 01:15:02 UTC

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Yes but most of the world does. We need an app that can replace it so everyone has privacy. Signal and all the other apps that use servers can not do it. Keet can take on WhatsApps 3billion users today if they switched. Signal can not

2025-10-30 19:39:29 UTC

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Get keeting

2025-10-30 19:38:44 UTC

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You should, keet is the only messenger capable of replacing whatsapp

2025-10-30 19:37:49 UTC

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Keet is killing it, it's literally coming for most of big tech, X, meta, tiktok, google, all of them

2025-10-30 19:32:12 UTC

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So easy to onboard to keet tho
No phone, no email, never goes down

2025-10-30 19:30:50 UTC

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Keets been built on one principle p2p

2025-10-30 19:28:16 UTC

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Keet is worth it, as no other chat app can replace whatsapp

2025-10-30 19:27:11 UTC

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Keychat uses servers so it will never replace WhatsApp, where as keet can today replace it effortlessly

2025-10-30 19:24:21 UTC

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No other tech than this can replace big tech

2025-10-30 19:22:37 UTC

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It's not P2P bro, so like signal it won't ever be able to compete with whatsapp
You want people off WhatsApp or not? You need the right tech if you do

2025-10-30 19:20:35 UTC

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Signal is dead bro, keet is the future

2025-10-30 19:19:35 UTC

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Your keet username is a bit like a phone number but keet is still small so there is almost no spammers
Keet usernames are also freely searchable

2025-10-26 01:28:10 UTC

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I just watched a few talks at PlanB from Paolo and Mafintosh the guys in charge of Keet and they are both committed to open source to make sure this stuff remains free. It's stated to exit beta next year and was always stated to be fully open source once out of beta
Either way it's still remarkable technology and that bit is already opensource

2025-10-23 21:25:04 UTC

P2P tech is game changing
Meta will become worthless
Mark my note 😂

2025-10-23 21:23:06 UTC

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100% i think everyone wants them fully open source but the code they have released so far is massive and their support to open source and dev using their code is undeniably solid. Just go hang out in the dev rooms in keet or read their GitHub to be certain of this

2025-10-23 21:19:20 UTC

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But P2P does work it works very well, Keet has proven this. P2P is superior than client server
Fiatjaf made assumptions (wrong) based on existing P2P tech, Keet did not exist
Both nostr and federated systems used a client server model. Nostr is a bit more efficient but the limitations of the servers still exist
Webservers don't scale when you look at it from startups and free services like in the fediverse or nostr. Servers cost money, big money when you get lots of users. Providing for them ultimately if you are to scale to WhatsApp involves becoming a megacorp that sells data like meta is, like telegram is. You don't get from signals 70million users to WhatsApps 3500million users without finding at least a few billion dollars per year which comes with many conditions
The fediverse has hit numerous server issues, nostr too, servers get over loaded, go down, censor and ultimately when users hit some level the server pool and utilisation just does not cope. Nostr has mitigated some of these issues by truly decentralizing content but it still has not solved servers
P2P solves servers, BitTorrent proved this, kazaa and Napster proved this, it however is quite different from server client, more difficult in some ways but also more easier. One particular way P2P is difficult is to collect data, monetize it and control it, so from that perspective you might see reasons big corp and tech have rarely gone down this path. So until now never has a really serious well funded effort been made into p2p, but that has now changed. We are literally just months away from having an app that has more features and better UX than WhatsApp that can also go from its current maybe 50k users to 4 billion in literally 1 day if people wanted, all with no extra costs, no downtime, no scaling issues
Keet is truly the first app that looks like it will and can displace bigtech. It is already technically capable to scale there, scale to everyone on the planet using it, it just lacks enough features to get the adoption, but already it has some features better than apps like WhatsApp and telegram
Yes I am a rabib fanboy, but dive into the app and tech, watch every video and read everything on it and see if you are not the same
Why am I saying this on nostr? Because audience matters, nostr is certainly cool, very cool indeed but it hasn't solved servers

2025-10-23 20:45:44 UTC

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The VPN just relays all your traffic including keet, keet is designed so you don't need to do anything for it to work, if you did it would be too difficult for people to adopt
Keet has a process of hole punching to make connections which is the key to its success and why they named the company holepunch
This is a great video on the tech and hole punching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWWHKLyCFTU
There is connections that are more compatible with keet and they show as green in the keet profile page, there is yellow connections which require other peers to help but obviously still work

2025-10-23 20:38:05 UTC

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Keet is not fully open source yet but about 90% of their code is here https://github.com/holepunchto

2025-10-23 20:34:30 UTC

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No servers no downtime

2025-10-22 03:27:50 UTC

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You can use split tunneling if you want anything to bypass a vpn
Hole punching is for opening ports thru nat and firewalls

2025-10-22 01:10:30 UTC

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Still needs servers so will never scale. Only P2P can compete with bigtech keet.io

2025-10-22 01:08:52 UTC

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Relays ultimately don't scale, reduce privacy and speed. The fediverse has tried this. You will never get enough servers to scale because the barrier to running and using them is too great. P2P solves this by completely removing that barrier and making essentially every app install a server keet.io

2025-10-22 01:06:09 UTC

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Yes keet.io addresses it all

2025-10-22 01:05:12 UTC

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Try keet.io

2025-10-22 01:04:41 UTC

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There has been discussion to add ways to hide your IP in keet in future like onion routing

2025-10-22 01:03:11 UTC

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Not exactly as data usually relays, but use a VPN if you are worried. Tbh people that raise this point are you not worried about other apps too? and already use a VPN?
Also are you not concerned ips are not being logged at the network level up stream from signal because that is literally what the NSA does

2025-10-22 01:00:00 UTC

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Improved is an understatement, it is basically nearly at the same level as signal and exceeds it in some areas too

2025-10-22 00:58:25 UTC

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Wouldn't you just rather run the one app that does that bit and the messenger combined? With less effort? Keet.io

2025-10-22 00:56:30 UTC

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Keet.io is P2P and so has no servers, no servers means no costs
Centralised apps like WhatsApp need to match an increase in users with an increase in servers and bandwidth to meet the needs of each new user
Where as with Keet each new install brings more capacity to the platform. Devices can communicate directly via wifi or local networks at speeds no centralised app can match. Each device has a copy of their data meaning no one device is needed to maintain anything. All this means Keet is more reliable, faster and cheaping than anything else. WhatsApp literally will not be able to compete if they stay non p2p

2025-10-22 00:49:26 UTC

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Signal only knows that but who sits on signals connection monitoring traffic? The NSA, and others

2025-10-22 00:47:40 UTC

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Keet.io already way out performs matrix and with no censorship

2025-10-22 00:46:42 UTC

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Keet.io

2025-10-22 00:45:27 UTC

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Most of the code is open, from the perspective of helping make more P2P apps they have been very good. They have had an external audit of keet and always committed to open sourcing it when it's out of beta which looks like within 6 to 12months

2025-10-22 00:42:43 UTC

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It's released 90% of its code already which many Devs are using to make many P2P apps

2025-10-20 19:57:48 UTC

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Keet.io is better because it's effortless to adopt cause no phone number or email

2025-10-20 19:52:58 UTC

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Time to move to Keet.io fren

2025-10-20 19:44:46 UTC

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Who cares? Keet.io can't go down

2025-10-20 19:44:01 UTC

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Nothing if you are on Keet.io

2025-10-20 19:42:42 UTC

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Keet.io selfhosts with no effort

2025-10-20 19:39:46 UTC

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Keet.io is not a honeypot

2025-10-20 19:39:13 UTC

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Keet.io

2025-10-20 19:38:35 UTC

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Delta chat is clunky
Keet.io

2025-10-20 19:37:59 UTC

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Keet.io

2025-10-20 19:34:55 UTC

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Everyone should selfhost you just haven't found the correct technical implementation, for that try keet

2025-10-20 19:33:17 UTC

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Actually a P2P map app is being worked on right now. You would do anything P2P for all the same reasons it's faster, more reliable and private, costs less and scales better

2025-10-20 19:29:48 UTC

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You wouldn't say that if you knew keet

2025-10-20 19:27:16 UTC

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Yes keet already far exceeds anything on the fediverse. P2P is the future, there is no doubt now

2025-10-20 19:25:24 UTC

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Telegram has no end to end encryption by default and can read all messages, it's encryption implementation is suspect too. Have a think why this billion dollar a year costing service is provided "free"? It's a honey pot for intel, same for signal
Keet is the only messenger that can actually compete against WhatsApp or telegram as it can out scale both with no costs or effort

2025-10-20 19:20:55 UTC

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Keet is the shit

2025-10-20 19:19:18 UTC

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Also Keet is the only messenger that can scale with no cost or effort to WhatsApps size, where as signal, telegram, none of them can do that

2025-10-20 19:16:53 UTC

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Not needing a phone number or email makes onboarding to Keet easy. The large social groups on Keet are alone also reason to use it

2025-10-20 19:15:09 UTC

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Keet is cooler and will be open source, and on desktop you can already grab all the code
Keet is also getting disappearing messages in about a month

2025-10-20 19:10:48 UTC

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Are you concerned with Keet taking all your business? Many have already switched to Keet

2025-10-20 19:09:54 UTC

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No servers for keet to go down

2025-10-20 19:09:26 UTC

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Keet

2025-10-20 19:08:16 UTC

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Skip both go keet

2025-10-20 19:07:38 UTC

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Keets never on AWS or any server so can't go down.
Keets also better than signal for files, faster with no size limits and uses no phone number or email and has no size limits on groups