Delta Chat

Secure decentralized messaging across all major platforms. Instant and reliable via fast chatmail relays, compatible with classic email providers. Features secure mini web apps for fun and collaboration, end-to-end encrypted and with P2P realtime channels. Security-audited multiple times.

Public Key

npub16zxpwcght62n7q4j88uj6ynehdqfzk572rues3y2tshr0vehfwjq2v4ynp

NIP-05 Address

delta@chaos-social.mostr.pub

Profile Code

nprofile1qqsdprqhvyt4a9flq2ern7fdzfumksy3t209p7vcgj99ct3hkvm5hfqpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduqs6amnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0ds9na2j7

Publishing to

relay.damus.io

nos.lol

Author Public Key

npub16zxpwcght62n7q4j88uj6ynehdqfzk572rues3y2tshr0vehfwjq2v4ynp

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Last Notes

2026-05-05 19:22:58 UTC

We don't think any institution or state has the right to prevent families and friends from private chatting, physically or digitally. But the Cyber Authority China (CaC) seems to take offense:
- they made Apple remove #deltachat iOS for mainland china
- their great firewall appears to block some #chatmail relays
- if you ask DeepSeek directly about Delta Chat, it doesn't want to talk
It's pretty sad, really. Everybody on this planet needs, and has a human right to private communication.
https://assets.chaos.social/media_attachments/files/116/523/548/441/767/249/original/ad53d7ff60ee21bc.png

2026-05-02 13:48:45 UTC

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@nprofile…5pf5 sorry. we edited the original post, reads clearer? Otherwise drop a DM but please keep in mind we have a 500 char limit and dopn't want to rewrite the whole post :)

2026-05-02 13:30:24 UTC

We’ve been busy building and releasing but it’s high time to share some major news: @sovtechfund is investing nearly €500K into #chatmail
This 18-month commitment supports chatmail maintainers keeping the core infrastructure secure and evolving, which is the backbone for:
#DeltaChat
@arcanechat
@nprofile…99nn
Parla on Gnome (cc @nprofile…5pf5 )
and many chat bots
A huge thank you to the Sovereign Tech Fund for investing in open, secure and decentralized communication!
https://www.sovereign.tech/tech/chatmail

2026-04-22 16:36:41 UTC

#deltachat user profiles are private and invisible to the public. No one can discover you, or your children, via phone numbers or any other public handle. Chat profiles exist only on user devices. No PIN and no "SMS verification code" ever asked or needed.
The lack of "public discovery" also means you don't auto-discover others via phone numbers or other public handles. Getting in contact with others is "opt in": you scan a QR code or click an invite link to join a group or open a chat.

2026-04-22 04:16:11 UTC

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@nprofile…s63u If you add multiple relays to your profile and change between them, you will appear as the same contact, both in 1:1 and group chats. Internally since Delta Chat v2 all contacts in encrypted chats (the ones not marked with an envelope icon) are identified by their OpenPGP key, and it does not matter from which email address the message arrives, so when you switch to another address your contacts will likely not even notice unless they look in debug info.

2026-04-21 22:57:09 UTC

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@nprofile…s63u You can switch the sending relay at any time. If you send a message and sending gets stuck because the sending relay is not reachable, you can select another relay for sending and keep sending messages. There is no automatic "failover" yet.

2026-04-21 16:49:18 UTC

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@nprofile…e3gw the instructions were about adding a second relay. In the screen you posted you can just create a profile and then go to advanced settings.

2026-04-21 16:06:25 UTC

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@nprofile…e3gw Are you doing this on the phone or on desktop?
From Android, if you go to the second relay page (https://mehl.cloud/) and click on the QR code (with the "Einen kostenlosen Email-Account bekommen" alt text), this will open Delta Chat, possibly ask you to unlock the phone, and add a relay to the currently selected account.

2026-04-21 13:42:40 UTC

This morning nine.testrun.org was briefly unavailable, some network problem. A good time to remind everyone to add a second relay to your #deltachat app:
1. Go to https://chatmail.at/relays randomly choose one of the listed relay pages and copy the invitation code to your clipboard
2. In delta chat settings go to advanced/relays and tap "add relay" and paste the invitation code
3. That's it.
If one relay is unavailable you still can receive and send messages.
https://delta.chat/en/2026-03-31-zero#maximizing-availability-and-resilience-through-multi-path-delivery

2026-04-13 08:34:40 UTC

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@nprofile…ns8p what do you mean with "delta chat advertising obsessed with protocol"? https://delta.chat/en/ and appstore description barely mention any protocol?

2026-04-13 07:30:40 UTC

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@nprofile…ns8p @nprofile…vcgd new protocols are fine. The point may rather be that contrary to popular nerd belief protocols are only one part of an effort. What distinguishes #deltachat from #xmpp is that one is a cross-platform mass-user focused app with a consistent UX across the platforms and using standards under the hood, while the other is a set of specs with many different implementations and UX approaches on the various platforms, and sometimes tenuous compatibility between them.

2026-04-11 13:39:53 UTC

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the public #chatmail relay list https://chatmail.at/relay covers about ~20% or so of chat relays we heart about and have traces or hints from, and we definitely don't see everything -- which is how it should be :)

2026-04-11 13:27:16 UTC

What if all public funding and all private donations to our efforts stop tomorrow?
Users should be fine for years thanks to the wonderful world-wide community of #chatmail relay operators 💜 Relays are dirt cheap to run. Also, our developments are much cheaper and less complex compared to what we know from comparable efforts.
No worries though!
We currently have moneys to help sustain ~15 contributors, with a sum similar to what other projects pay for their foundation president/CEO alone :)

2026-04-10 21:47:28 UTC

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@nprofile…dysu @nprofile…4e7w thanks for the praise, much appreciated. we are indeed constantly working to improve and refine UX. We hear you but need to work with 1/100th of signal resources. Our last release contained two big cryptographic and network layer improvements but then also a lot of UI goodies. In this section, in particular, we try to remind the crypto/network enthusiasts among us about the importance of user interfacing https://delta.chat/en/2026-03-31-zero#at-risk-user-needs-1-availability-2-telegram-3-security

2026-03-31 20:25:03 UTC

After three intense months of work from more than a dozen contributors, #deltachat 2.48 releases are rolling. Maybe the most feature-packed releases ever?
- "zero metadata" messaging
- native Audio/Video calls on Android and iOS, as well as UbuntuTouch
- Group and Channel descriptions
- A new background audio player
- Revamped Download-on-Demand
and, last but not least, the long-awaited next-generation of messaging resiliency through "multi-path" routing ....
https://delta.chat/en/2026-03-31-zero

2026-03-24 11:09:16 UTC

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@nprofile…063m we are lightly following its developments but are not impressed by its UI/UX, and also don't think they particularly care for resilience (they are blocked since >15 months in russia, and don't do much about it, for example), also they don't appear to care much for people with small data plans and bad networks, and rather tune everything for resource-rich always-connected users. They also appear to be going down the crypto-coin rabbithole quite a bit. YMMV.

2026-03-24 10:55:40 UTC

End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much. Names, group descriptions and memberships, avatars, who talks to whom ...
Both #deltachat and #signal go to great length to protect all the metadata that WhatsApp grants itself gratuitously. #Matrix stores similar scales of metadata on their servers, even if you can choose which server stores it.
Everything is better than #Telegram which additionally stores message contents in all group chats/channels and most 1:1 chats.
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2026-02-28 22:40:55 UTC

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@nprofile…aejy For chatmail relays default message size limit is 30 MiB. We don't know if anyone changes it, but even if you change it your recipients need to be able to accept it as well and have inbox large enough to accept such files.

2026-02-28 22:19:29 UTC

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@nprofile…aejy If you have enabled VPN system-wide, as shown e.g. with a key icon in the status bar on Android, then there is nothing else you need to do to make Delta Chat use it.

2026-02-28 22:02:44 UTC

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@nprofile…aejy Delta Chat does not have any special proxies, it supports SOCKS5, HTTP(S) proxies and Shadowsocks. Tor works.

2026-02-28 18:58:40 UTC

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@nprofile…dd4h It is already written at https://chatmail.at/doc/relay/getting_started.html#minimal-requirements-and-prerequisites that "build machine" needs key-based SSH access to the server.

2026-02-28 16:26:21 UTC

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@nprofile…e40t luckily, an estimated 99.9% of users don't need to buy DNS or a VPS to use delta chat -- and probably around 98% don't even know what these TLAs mean :)

2026-02-28 15:34:52 UTC

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@nprofile…dd4h If your SSH key is password-protected, run "ssh-agent bash", then inside the shell unlock the key with "ssh-add", then run cmdeploy

2026-02-28 12:39:37 UTC

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@nprofile…du6u sure, email addresses as human recognizable handles are nice! We do have discussions to re-introduce email addresses for this use (tell someone your contact address and that's it, no QRs, weird links etc.) but it will be about establishing end-to-end encryption. It's not a current prio but it's definitely something that we can think about and do. FWIW https://securejoin.delta.chat already implements automatic secure hand-shaking for establishing E2EE.

2026-02-28 11:14:28 UTC

Our strong focus on end to end encryption and zero metadata does mean that one of the original project notions of "you can use delta chat as a lightweight cleartext email client and your contacts don't need to care" was deprioritized since some time now and remains available rather for specialists only. It used to be encrypted mail that was hard to do and only for experts. Delta kind of reversed this. Now it's hard to do cleartext. But you can self host your mailbox addresses. No changes there!

2026-02-10 16:33:17 UTC

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@nprofile…y3sx could you expand what you consider bashing here? It should be fine to point out differences in architectures and how identities are handled in messaging systems, no?

2026-02-10 16:17:14 UTC

While platforms like #Matrix or #Signal manage user identities on a server, #DeltaChat and #Chatmail are not platforms in the classic sense. They operate without a central registry, meaning there is no central gatekeeper to grant or deny access. This setup for private messaging naturally complicates invasive age verification. Without a public registry or user discovery, there is no technical hook to verify users. #Chatmail also enforces E2EE by rejecting all unencrypted data. ... (1/3)

2026-02-06 00:51:44 UTC

It took a while but it's shaping up nicely :) Post-Quantum Cryptography and Reliable Deletion, better known as Forward Secrecy, are going to become available in 2026 in #deltachat. For more details, including the recent #fosdem26 talk recording:
https://autocrypt2.org

2026-01-22 09:31:01 UTC

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@nprofile…2786 you might have fun with some of the retro-games available via "attach app"
or also visible here: https://webxdc.org/apps
but yes, finding circles to use it with, is a challenge. We know.

2026-01-14 00:18:40 UTC

#deltachat does
- no bindings to public handles/numbers
- no address-book upload
- not do public contact or group discovery
- not have critical persistent server state (!)
Social identification is private, between people though ephemeral #P2P #E2EE messages.
Servers see messages with random sender and recipient addresses, but those can not be mapped to a phone number or public handle. Servers see IP addresses. But you can use Tor, or a VPN, if you want to hide that.
It' not all bad :)

2026-01-10 14:31:40 UTC

PSA We are happy about the wealth of privacy focused classic email providers (proton, tutanota, posteo, mailbox.org etc) but they are not geared for instant secure messaging. Do yourself, family and friends a favor and use delta with any of the many https://chatmail.at/relays
Or setup a relay of your own if you feel like it.
Or use a a dedicated chat email address on your own or any classic email server that has reliable service and no obnoxious rate limits or annoying spam handling.
Cheers.

2025-12-30 19:49:55 UTC

It's true: the more technical background and pre-conceptions you have, the more more likely you run into trouble with #deltachat 😂
Don't think so much! 😉
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2025-12-28 10:04:51 UTC

Relax 😎! GPG is not OpenPGP!
Yesterday, vulnerabilities were published https://gpg.fail but they don't affect #deltachat or any other #chatmail client because
A) We never used #gnupg for anything; we use the modern #rustlang #openpgp implementation @nprofile…z5vf, security audited multiple times.
B) #openpgp is fine, as modernized in #RFC9580, which already warns against several #gpgfail issues (gpg has not implemented that spec)
Please spread the word that #gpg is not #openpgp ... Thanks!

2025-12-20 13:43:29 UTC

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@nprofile…njtc @nprofile…qu7r #XMPP is still a thriving ecosystem with lots of good FOSS developers doing interesting things.
XMPP is also used under the hood in tons of products needing instant messaging even if they are not advertised as XMPP clients, or do not federate. But look at #Matrix, only 25% of matrix servers federate.
Anyway, all three share a strong focus on protocols, but there is a big difference: https://chatmail.at does not expose protocols to client developers, just a Rust SDK.

2025-12-19 15:04:42 UTC

Short and succinct, @nprofile…zwws lays down the incredible danger of the UK's current political talk about "banning under 16y olds" from using online services.
UK's "age assurance" is similar to #chatcontrol 's "age verification" plans: the end of privacy when using online services. Basically policing everywhere demanding "show me your passport!" before you can cross the street to a web shop or forum.
https://decoded.legal/blog/2025/12/a-proposed-legislative-amendment-to-attempt-to-ban-under-16s-in-the-uk-from-common-messaging-services-sharing-family-photos-using-wikipedia-and-doing-much-else-online-by-imposing-age-assurance-on-everyone/

2025-12-18 19:11:10 UTC

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@nprofile…jyac Calls are 1:1 and E2E encrypted. It is just WebRTC with signaling done over existing OpenPGP-encrypted email.

2025-12-18 04:56:16 UTC

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@nprofile…8sur It is darkrun.dev, not darkdev.run. Seems to be working here.

2025-12-17 15:34:24 UTC

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@nprofile…3mwc The forum at https://support.delta.chat/

2025-12-17 15:03:23 UTC

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@nprofile…3mwc https://support.delta.chat

2025-12-16 08:28:43 UTC

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@nprofile…2caw in some sense of the word^^ we never focused on making it work, so probably some configuration issues would need to be handled. And even if we get that working, there are some relays with which it probably could not communicate, because they can only speak IPv4. So I don't think IPv6-only is worthwhile to pursue.

2025-12-14 18:27:41 UTC

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@nprofile…07rf f-droid release we retracted because of a reported issue on slow phones and large databases. There should be a release soon, streamlining this. sorry for the delay. You could meanwhile install the apk from the web page, and export/import your profile, for the time being, if you are eager to try out.

2025-12-13 18:02:58 UTC

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@nprofile…760w we typically discuss feature requests in the forum, and only open a GitHub issue when someone is set on actually doing it: https://support.delta.chat/t/direct-mention-on-groups/185

2025-12-13 11:17:37 UTC

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@nprofile…7kfa it's a UI glitch if the please-wait message stays although the chat is usable already. Will be fixed with next release.

2025-12-13 11:10:06 UTC

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@nprofile…lrft and yes, if you add a relay, message your chats (at best group chats) all recipient devices will recognize and use your new address automatically.

2025-12-13 11:06:42 UTC

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@nprofile…lrft at best follow the support forum where the last 2.33+ release issues are discussed and resolved and announcements happen. Still some road blocks on some of the ~15 store targets, but that's normal. There is always one or another release target making new problems, compliance, build problems or some crash on particular devices. We are trying our best to push it all out :)

2025-12-13 11:02:29 UTC

On this day, two years ago, we published the first chatmail relay, https://delta.chat/en/2023-12-13-chatmail along with templates to replicate the setup, without needing any permission. Two weeks ago we thought there are 60 relays when a hacker handed in a 100+ list 😂
A bunch of knowledgeable folks are maintaining track of health of the evolving global network, and supporting new operators. 💜💥🖤
thx also for all the support here on the fediverse! its been a wild year and #39c3 is in 13 days to top it off 😅

2025-12-13 10:37:20 UTC

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@nprofile…lrft IMAP connections to secondary relays are maintained to receive messages that might arrive there from contacts that don't know yet you have switched to another relay.

2025-12-13 09:47:59 UTC

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@nprofile…t6aw it's an advanced setting for now. In the longer run we want relay management to be automatic.

2025-12-13 08:09:48 UTC

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@nprofile…t6aw yes, it's not currently limited but don't do more than 3 or max 5. There is no point, and your device will keep open as many network connections. If all your three relays die, you can still add another one then, send a message to your chats, and are in the chat game again.

2025-12-12 21:51:57 UTC

#chatmail relays are recently getting more artful in their web presence 🤩 Nice examples:
https://darkdev.run in Ontario, or
https://bloc7.icu/ in Warszaw.
We estimate there are ~4 times more relays than in the published list at https://chatmail.at/relays
Many relays are smaller ones, but that's fine. A 5 EUR per month VPS can go a long way (thousands or tens of thousands of monthly users). Thanks for the service to all the operators of which around 40 are in a loose group chat 💗

2025-12-12 18:57:29 UTC

Your chat profile/identity: a tar file.
Your social web app: a zip file.
https://chatmail.at and https://webxdc.org are spearheading ever new and more fun ways to deny power to servers and platform billionaires.
Unlike classic email servers, #chatmail relays do not store user identities which solely live on end-user devices.There also is no encrypted value on the server like with Proton Mail or Signal. There are only relays, endless federating networks of relays to onboard safely :)
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2025-12-11 16:41:03 UTC

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@nprofile…hcjr the "IM2000" description is somewhat dense and trying to account for a lot of past efforts in modifying SMTP, but im200 issues is just background for a mechanism that will likely be quite straightforward and simple. 😅

2025-12-11 15:42:01 UTC

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@nprofile…hcjr for Tor there is nothing immediately planned but you may checkout and follow updates on https://github.com/chatmail/relay/issues/487

2025-12-11 12:33:34 UTC

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@nprofile…x7fw yes, that's the plan that you can exit from gmail or other big providers if you started with them. It's just that the last weeks were a lot of work for everyone involved, and we still need to stay attentive/co-ordinate about any issues in conjunction with rolling 2.33 releaeses (it's more complicated than you might think). Originally, we only wanted to publically talk/educate about it when the releases are fully available for people. Maybe just check back next week :)

2025-12-11 08:41:44 UTC

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@nprofile…fg4p it's usually related to spam checking from gmx's side. Chatmail relays all interoperate because the checks are only cryptographic. There is no so called "reputation" database

2025-12-10 20:49:46 UTC

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@nprofile…rmzn Jokes aside, all nine.testrun.org sysadmin communication happens in delta chat itself, would not be possible if it required nine.testrun.org being up.

2025-12-10 20:47:16 UTC

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@nprofile…n7sg Technically even more than 1000 is possible and was tested, but practically a few hundred was the largest size seen before it broke down for non-technical reasons. Delta Chat is built for private groups and has no common moderation tooling like role-based access controls.

2025-12-10 12:26:59 UTC

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Thanks for your patience, everything should work again.

2025-12-10 12:26:39 UTC

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@nprofile…jyac avoiding the default server is a goal, and the rolling 2.33 releases are the next steps towards it, where you can seamlessly switch to a new server :) automating this is a question for the future.

2025-12-10 11:54:47 UTC

The default onboarding relay server nine.testrun.org will undergo some server maintenance in the next hours. We will keep you updated.

2025-12-08 09:39:07 UTC

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@nprofile…zshd unencrypted email use cases have been discussed in the support forum already and the outcome is: our focus is on end-to-end encryption and metadata minimization, along with helping to grow a world-wide federated reliable chatmail relay network run by many 3rd parties.
Instead of sticking to the old 1.58 delta versions it'd likely be better if you recommended your friends to use another email app that directly focuses on unencrypted mail handling if that is what you are looking for.

2025-12-07 08:38:50 UTC

A few things #deltachat apps are doing positively different from #Signal apps
- easiest onboarding ever; not depending on phone numbers or other private data
- support for multiple chat profiles/identities
- decentralized servers, not depending on US-based GAFAM etc.
- migration from one app/platform and to any other
- easy multi-device support for any chat profile
- developers have chances to get their PRs merged :)
- mini-apps support via https://webxdc.org
anything missing?

2025-12-03 18:00:35 UTC

#Telegram has a nice and fast UI, granted.
But the 1 billion people using TG are at risk because of its big central database that any state security service craves for. Moreover, several anonymization proxy-bot offerings were hacked in 2024, identifying millions of users and content.
#deltachat builds anonymization directly into the app and has pervasive end-to-end encryption. #chatmail relay operators can sleep well, knowing they have nothing. Ergo, E2EE is good for any operators sleep! :)
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2025-11-26 20:31:53 UTC

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If the problem boils down to the users allowing UnifiedPush client to run and denying the same permission to Delta Chat, then it is not interesting to spend development effort on it as the problem can be solved by allowing DC to run in the background. We do support FCM (besides Ubuntu Touch and Apple) notifications for the phones that do not allow to run apps in background, but there you cannot run UnifiedPush as well.

2025-11-26 19:49:32 UTC

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@nprofile…u9vl Do you run some Unified Push distributor such as ntfy in background? If you can run Unified Push distributor, what does prevent running Delta Chat the same way?

2025-11-26 18:45:23 UTC

#chatmail does secure email federation that works. Using lean "relay" servers that enforce metadata-minimized end-to-end encryption.
There is a new little tool that checks whether two relays are interacting well for messaging, and how fast. You need a terminal window and be able to execute:
pip install cmping
you can then run for example:
cmping mailchat.pl nine.testrun.org
to perform a "ping" test for e2ee-messaging. Also see https://chatmail.at/relays
https://github.com/chatmail/cmping/
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2025-11-21 16:08:05 UTC

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@nprofile…3frg @nprofile…3ydx it's a neat idea to postpone server choice until later, and onboard with some default.
#deltachat apps are currently learning to use multiple addresses at once ("multi-transport"), along with cryptographic hardening against evil server operators. The goal is to provide multi-server onboarding by default, and to automate server migrations (although for a while there will be an advanced settings interface where it's manually managed). You'd be onboarding "to the network" :)

2025-11-19 13:50:30 UTC

Signal just released a "poll" feature with great fanfare, while all #deltachat apps already integrated a full suite of chat-shared apps, checklists, polls, shopping lists, calendar, editor + tons of games.
Better, anyone can create new apps, eg as github/codeberg forks from existing apps, and post it to their chats for instant deployment. No need to ask for permission, register an account, and no hosting or DNS: actually "server-less" and fully end-to-end encrypted :)
https://webxdc.org/apps
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2025-11-02 21:59:55 UTC

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@nprofile…7zl9 self hosted email address is fine as long as it's exclusively used by chatmail clients (who were setup using the 'add second device' work flows or exporting/importing a backup file)

2025-11-02 16:24:25 UTC

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@nprofile…uufl you have a point and it's kind of funny that even though #chatmail uses the email system, one can't just give out an email address. The challenge is to establish automatic end-to-end encryption while maintaining identity privacy (in Delta Chat we want chat profiles to be fully private and decentralized so can't just do some central registry). There are some ideas on how to bring back the ease of telling your address and people contacting you. Just more involved than it sounds :)

2025-11-02 09:28:14 UTC

We hereby challenge _all_ other messaging apps, FOSS or not, to provide a more convenient private onboarding experience than #deltachat
1. Install app
2. "Create new profile"
3. Enter nick name, tap "Agree and continue"
4. Tap "+" and "new contact" and provide/scan qr code/link
Voila! A secure private chat, familiar to those coming from Whatsapp or Telegram (without "AI" shenanigans).
Note: chat identities are private and can not be queried or discovered. Servers keep no track or metadata
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2025-10-31 13:42:33 UTC

Countering toxicity and fake takes is not just a technical question (moderation, admins etc) but one of social curation both collectively and privately: which people and groups do you/we trust for what. No tool can automate that.
#deltachat is for private e2ee messaging and mutually curated group chats, and not random social media propelled onboarding. We are with #Signal here and not with #simplex and #matrix who offer public anonymous discovery of large chat groups with lots of unknown folks.

2025-10-30 15:06:03 UTC

Today, we were nicely surprised by a new comprehensive (italian) #deltachat introduction video, going through initial setup, groups and chatting, setup of second device, using #webxdc apps, bots, calls and playing Quake -- all the nice things you can do these days :)
https://mastodon.uno/@gianmarcogg03/115462294953394774
containing peertube, odysee and youtube links (latter provides English subtitles)
Fun fact: our mobile devs noticed some tiny but embarrassing glitches in the UI which are now getting fixed as we speak :)

2025-10-29 08:17:07 UTC

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@nprofile…j35c sure, nobody said avoiding hyperscalers is easy. In 8 years of project time we got about a tenth of the money that signal gives to hyperscalers, yearly. We can only tackle the challenges one by one, with the resources and skills we have, and see how far we get. Still some way 🤷🏽

2025-10-29 07:27:23 UTC

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@nprofile…2cds what exactly is "poorly substantiated accusations" in our post? We have often applauded signal for their cryptography achievements but their infrastructure choices are a different thing. Infrastructure matters. And we were laying out what we are doing in the same post.

2025-10-28 22:01:00 UTC

Signal's president claimed it takes billions to replicate the availability and reliability of "hyperscalers" (AWS/Google/Microsoft/Cloudfare) that Signal uses.
#chatmail and #deltachat are about disproving this claim by
1) making relays super cheap (DONE)
2) enabling chat profiles to use multiple relays redundantly (WIP)
3) distributing relay knowledge among chatters (TBD).
Fat servers, corporate overlords and billionaires: not needed and better to not exist for a convivial e2ee future :)

2025-10-21 21:30:04 UTC

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@nprofile…lv94 This sounds like two separate problems: 1. chatmail relays don't like *unencrypted* inbound emails, and 2. other chatmail relays reject your message because your DKIM DNS record isn't set correctly. But hard to say definitely without knowing the exact situation...
Feel free to join our chatmail mutual help group, that's where we help each other out with issues like this :) https://i.delta.chat/#6CBFF8FFD505C0FDEA20A66674F2916EA8FBEE99&a=invitebot%40nine.testrun.org&g=Chatmail%20Mutual%20Help&x=7sFF7Ik50pWv6J1z7RVC5527&i=X69wTFfvCfs3d-JzqP0kVA3i&s=ibp-447dU-wUq-52QanwAtWc

2025-10-21 16:36:41 UTC

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@nprofile…z0j7 don't underestimate your role :) you created one of the first #chatmail relays and kept it running ever since ... apart from the service to some hundreds of users this provides it also helped our motivations, and motivation is a key driver for any collective community-driven project :)

2025-10-21 16:11:35 UTC

Not taking Venture Capital money means:
- No pressure to maximize monetization of usage (for every million of VC funding you need to find ~100+ Million in value later).
- No prioritization of growing fast with PR campaigns that promise the moon and stumble on the ground
- No billionaire who ultimately profits
Instead, we seek public funding and private contributions for #chatmail #deltachat and #webxdc developments.
Thanks to everyone who is helping and already test-driving things :)
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2025-10-20 10:51:22 UTC

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@nprofile…cw9k it's being worked on https://support.delta.chat/t/help-testing-upcoming-delta-chat-release-with-calls/4220

2025-10-20 10:06:56 UTC

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@nprofile…wrq7 there is https://github.com/chatmail/relay/blob/main/README.md but no explicit guide on how to set it up behind a NAT. There is some advise (not written up yet publically, alas) on how to use firewall rules to route traffic to (dynamic) IP addresses behind a NAT. Thing is that your chatmail relay needs to have a reachable SMTP/MX endpoint to receive mail from other email servers.

2025-10-20 09:55:23 UTC

There is no single central signal server. Signal uses #AWS cloud, next to Google Cloud, Microsoft Cloud and Cloudflare, all under US legislation. If any of these clouds goes down or becomes otherwise problematic, chatting degrades or fails.
With #deltachat you can choos #chatmail relays ( https://chatmail.at/relays ) which distributes the risk across a wider network. We are currently working on the multi-transport feature to finally remove any central point of chat failure: https://chaos.social/@delta/115362144863345662

2025-10-19 11:50:12 UTC

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@nprofile…twyf there is a new upcoming encrypted broadcast channel feature evolving where an admin controls the channel. By December there should be a blog post about more details. But could provide the basis for influencer/streamer use cases but also will take a while to be fully mainlined into apps in all platforms.

2025-10-17 18:07:31 UTC

The last 2-3 days there was a significant slow down with message sending, sometimes 15 seconds, via the default #chatmail relay .... Wasn't a CPU/RAM or other resource problem but a software configuration / implementation problem. After some hours of debugging it was solved by providing the "speed-adjust" proxy option to #postfix. message sending should be back to sub-second. No message was lost. Lesson learned: just search for "speed" in postfix docs first (and fix the offending module later).

2025-10-16 19:05:25 UTC

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@nprofile…z52u @nprofile…0fpr quick heads up. Our impressions: #matrix is going strong with public sector entities, and it's where most dynamics happened at the conf.
We are rather focused on private and resilient messaging where servers don't play a big role; as we want #chatmail relays to be dirt cheap to operate, no pro version needed. Our focus is on informal usage, groups, family, friends, affinity or interest groups, whereas matrix is increasingly focusing on corporate/ organizational use cases. YMMV

2025-10-15 10:42:38 UTC

Base tech resilience comes from tools that can be used offline. #deltachat apps are offline-first in that you can create chats, send messages, look at messages/media and trigger establishung contact via qr code scans. And you can use #webxdc apps (with checklist, calendars, editors, shopping lists etc) because they not only don't require Internet but are barred from accessing it, providing privacy that doesn't require #gdpr or consent or login.

2025-10-15 06:32:53 UTC

A few of us are going to visit our neighboring project in federated messaging, the @nprofile…z52u conference in Strasbourg today. While the two projects are rather different architecturally, funding-wise etc but we remain ready duscussions around common concerns and general exchange of what's happening :) For those curious, here is a panel discussion from the Elevate festival in Graz 2018 https://vimeo.com/273876820
And a later discussion with Matthew
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ2Tjc1Aj0A&t=1624s&pp=ygUidGVjaCB3aWxsIHNhdmUgdXMgbWF0cml4IGRlbHRhY2hhdA%3D%3D

2025-10-13 15:30:25 UTC

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@nprofile…ug8a siehe auch https://chaos.social/@delta/115362144863345662 -- es wird demnaechst moeglich, einen zweiten transport hinzuzufuegen, und dann kannst du den vorherigen transport wegnehmen, wenn deine chatkontakte mitgekriegt haben, dass du einen neuen hast. Mehr details wirds erst geben, wenn wir das ganze releasen koennen, was noch ein weilchen dauert.

2025-10-12 19:15:33 UTC

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@nprofile…9lmf there are some similarities but #nostr is about social media (a feed/pull network model) whereas #chatmail relays are about private messaging (and-store-and-forward network model) and seamlessly interoperate with the existing email server network. Moreover, delta chat apps share the same core rust codebase with other chatmail clients, so that interop can be implemented in one place.

2025-10-12 17:30:21 UTC

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@nprofile…l2l8 @nprofile…nhk5 fwiw multi-transport aims for two separate fundamental repercussions:
- users get more reliable delivery as it becomes harder to block successful private communication
- relay operators get an easier time because they are not individually responsible for chat identities and their ability to privately communicate

2025-10-12 17:21:17 UTC

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@nprofile…l2l8 @nprofile…nhk5 we modified the phrasing to make it clearer that current delta chat releases do not support chat profiles with multiple transports. Note that multiple chat profiles and multi-device support is available on all platforms for a longer while already.

2025-10-12 16:34:33 UTC

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@nprofile…nhk5 it doesn't yet ... Details and implementations are still being worked out.

2025-10-12 16:30:34 UTC

#deltachat has reliable and audited end-to-end encryption but reliable message delivery is equally crucial in times of shutdowns and increasing Internet fragmentation. #chatmail relays are more reliable and faster than classic email servers but they may still fail, leaving users stranded. The recent successful rollout of V2 releases not only hardened end-to-end encryption but will enable chat profiles to use multiple relays, removing a common point of failure in decentralized private messaging.

2025-10-10 16:28:53 UTC

What an announcement from #Telegram owner Pawel Durov! To provide just a few critical notes, he
- makes believe he is just a commoner, and not the billionaire owner of one of the largest message, media and metadata *cleartext* databases on earth
- skips over Global Warming
- refers to "fathers and forefathers" of the Internet ... apparently never heart of Radia Perlman, Margaret Hamilton or Ada Lovelace?
- conveniently excludes Russia and its authoritarian politics from his critique
etc.
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2025-10-08 19:31:35 UTC

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@nprofile…wqew ah, that repo link is already pretty illuminating and concise. You can also just link that in the issue, and just add some brief bullets on what it achieves.

2025-10-08 18:57:46 UTC

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@nprofile…wqew great -- could you maybe open a documentation request issue at https://github.com/chatmail/relay/issues and summarize what you did there? There is a plan to ramp up documentation and this could get at least an FAQ or MISC-tips mention.

2025-10-08 18:41:26 UTC

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@nprofile…g5uh Das weiss niemand so genau, weil es keine konkreten Gesetzentwuerfe gibt. Es geht derzeit darum, zu verhindern dass #chatcontrol ende-zu-ende verschluesselung im allgemeinem untergraebt. Es ist eine der wenigen Techniken, die zentrale Plattformkontrolle begrenzt, die sowieso bereits viel zu gross ist.

2025-10-08 16:01:56 UTC

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@nprofile…46a9 no, we are not sure that #chatcontrol is stopped yet, unfortunately. There might very well be some twist that interested parties try to negotiate into the decision process that would still break end-to-end encryption. It's best to follow @nprofile…8gdf and other informed journalism and sources the next days, and keeping attention up until the scheduled vote october 14th. Danish presidency might postpone once again if they don't think they get a sufficient number of votes.

2025-10-08 14:51:52 UTC

After dropping the #chatcontrol proposals EU governors could next ask themselves why they have, in all of the EU's history, never provided such a pleasant and informative, adaptive and fast user interface to access democratic representatives and governments of EU member countries ... as the one https://fightchatcontrol.eu provides (adaptive, pleasant, fast, to the point) -- done mostly by a single person on personal funding. Go figure.

2025-10-05 20:58:36 UTC

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@nprofile…9a3k @nprofile…xgvn chatmail.relays are minimal.email servers see https://github.com/chatmail/relay/blob/main/README.md for current setup instructions. However, you can also use any of the published relays on https://chatmail.at/relays to get an address, or just use the default relay. Relays are cheap to run. The smallest available vps should easily support thousands of users as things stand.