powrespecter

I respect proof of work.

https://powrelay.xyz

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Last Notes

2024-08-08 19:27:48 UTC

I've had to remove some notes from powrelay
A shame to compromise on the ideal of pow as the only criterion
But moderation sure is easy when notes are expensive to make

2024-05-23 17:14:51 UTC

@npub1fem…4aer dominating the weekly POW page on
https://powrelay.xyz/explore
wat mean?

2024-05-14 18:45:48 UTC

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Important message at the top of the powrelay.xyz weekly list:
#nevent1q…gqtd

2023-12-01 01:35:46 UTC

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Very impressive. You are working at another level.
For what it's worth. My opinion is that nothing is gelled yet, if you think you have a better way,I'd do it your way. Zaps ended up pretty messy and complicated, would be a shame to make that mistake again.

2023-12-01 01:16:01 UTC

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Discovery through POW kinda working?

2023-12-01 01:15:32 UTC

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@npub13az…8m54

2023-12-01 01:14:00 UTC

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Huge news at the top of https://powrelay.xyz/explore today:
#nevent1q…uyqu

2023-11-10 20:00:23 UTC

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If posters are not anon, you can use web of trust to filter spam (only show posts from friends of friends of friends of... for example)
but for anon posters, the only decentralized spam deterence that can work is pow

2023-11-10 17:52:55 UTC

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POW killer app:
#nevent1q…pwra

2023-11-09 22:13:33 UTC

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oh, yeah!
That's way better

2023-11-09 17:17:20 UTC

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Important questions at the top of https://powrelay.xyz/explore
#nevent1q…8d86

2023-11-09 16:44:59 UTC

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Follow @npub13az…8m54 's bot for a taste of the POW future
#nevent1q…0glf

2023-11-09 16:43:23 UTC

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Interesting.
Why not just post max POW event every 30 mins?

2023-11-08 21:47:29 UTC

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Sounds very reasonable,
but some of us have a pathologically single minded focus on verifiability and honest signaling.

2023-11-08 21:36:00 UTC

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pubkeys are free
if it's one vote per key then it's trivial to game

2023-11-08 21:28:52 UTC

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btw, bounty still open for other clients:
#naddr1qq…s6ns

2023-11-08 18:29:05 UTC

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I don't think most relays look at pow, it's still a niche thing.
I also don't think it's very good for spam. Mostly it's good if you want to look at what people are willing to waste a lot of money or time on. What they think is important.
The best way to post notes with POW is with @npub189j…3tg8 (there is an option to pick how much POW in the settings) or with https://www.get-tao.app

2023-11-08 18:26:04 UTC

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haha, yes kind of.
They cost energy to post. You have to burn CPU cycles on your computer to get POW for a note. You can pay someone else to do it to though.
That makes sure that only important notes like #nevent1q…664p get to the top

2023-11-08 18:19:36 UTC

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On Amethyst and Gossip they get nice little notes that tell you the amount of POW:
https://image.nostr.build/505859f06bbc28845f6e75da7887fb6202178ff4c9eae1a750956867033226f7.jpg
https://image.nostr.build/91867e1b22d793e5ad3d5a969a8ceebf8b0d25639b64797268e803b3c2d31ef0.jpg

2023-11-08 18:04:26 UTC

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My best attempt at an explanation: https://powrelay.xyz/about.html

2023-11-08 18:01:49 UTC

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Post with at least 24 zero bits or go unnoticed!

2023-11-08 17:59:58 UTC

https://www.get-tao.app/ has sort by POW!
https://image.nostr.build/f93b996d8c178cae02f1074fe8787adfd9c31377e1cb4e94975a319982312371.jpg
@npub13az…8m54 who gets the bounty?

2023-11-08 17:50:53 UTC

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Not possible, different mining algo unfortunately

2023-11-08 17:50:30 UTC

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No, just rent computers from gcp (when it was working). Will take less than 10 minutes, it just buys as much computers as necessary to get it done fast, but it'll be expensive.
No one was using it so I turned off the servers for now. Gonna make something better soon, I think it's too annoying to have to have to go to a separate website, it should be a dvm or something.
When more people use it, I expect it'll follow the usual trajectory of naive cpu algo → gpu → fgpa → asic

2023-11-01 15:37:34 UTC

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Looks like the tool is by @npub1gzu…a5ds

2023-11-01 15:35:50 UTC

Not sure what's going on here, but interesting:
https://nostref.punkhub.me/relay/nrelay1qqf8wumn8ghj7ur0waex2mrp0yh8s7t6yttsar
https://nostref.punkhub.me/relay/nrelay1qqdhwumn8ghj7cmgwf5hxarsd9kxctnwdaehgu339e3k7mgk7cjln
It's like a relay finger print

2023-11-01 15:26:30 UTC

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haha, beautiful
I predict it will look different when sorted by pow

2023-11-01 15:22:03 UTC

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I'll pay the bounty for this @npub1zfs…w445
Maybe I'll finally be able to kill my shitty pseudo-client

2023-10-29 05:40:38 UTC

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dishonest signalers on suicide watch
#nevent1q…pu32

2023-10-27 20:28:01 UTC

The number of tries needed to get N zero bits of POW is geometrically distributed with
p = 1 / (2^N)
The expected number of tries is
2^N
(on average you'll need to try 256 different nonces to get 8 bits of POW, an event ID starting with `00`)
The variance on the number of tries is
2^(2N) (1 - 1/2^N)
which, conveniently, makes for a standard deviation of about
2^N
for large N
All that to say, setting POW to 25 in gossip was usually fine, but the occasional note took a painful amount of time.

2023-10-27 20:07:57 UTC

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Cool, looks great

2023-10-25 14:04:32 UTC

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"🦌 POW notes"

2023-10-24 19:40:55 UTC

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Bounty for adding "sort by proof of work" to clients:
#nevent1q…2nks

2023-10-24 19:35:33 UTC

Bounty for adding "sort by proof of work" to clients.
pls merge @npub1az9…m8y8
https://github.com/coinkite/bountsr.org.pub/pull/45

2023-10-24 19:05:43 UTC

The server running wss://powrelay.xyz kept running out memory and dying. I don't have time to fix properly so I fixed it with:
20 * * * * rcctl restart powrelay
God, forgive me.

2023-10-22 22:19:12 UTC

Am I crazy or are these too many endpoints:
https://legend.lnbits.com/docs
?

2023-10-22 20:39:28 UTC

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Important message at the top of https://powrelay.xyz/explore
#nevent1q…565l

2023-09-03 23:58:53 UTC

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I should set up a mint...
cat-reading-newspaper.jpg

2023-08-23 16:30:28 UTC

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proof of work would be proof of work

2023-08-23 16:21:47 UTC

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wss://powrelay.xyz censors all POW-less notes!
this is disgusting and will destroy/centralize nostr
#nevent1q…utl5

2023-08-23 16:09:08 UTC

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https://powrelay.xyz/explore
The only "trending" page that doesn't pick favorites then accuse you of ill motives for noticing
#nevent1q…wnmh

2023-08-15 12:57:55 UTC

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What's an IP block? How do I Bayesian classifier? Web of trust what?
POW.

2023-08-15 12:56:25 UTC

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POW, the dumbest relay algo ™
#nevent1q…95zs

2023-08-10 19:27:32 UTC

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github.com/fiatjaf/relayer implements it

2023-08-10 19:24:31 UTC

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How would a project like this filter for the right people? Would the "right" people even feel secure enough to sign up for something so uncertain?

2023-08-10 19:22:34 UTC

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Huh?

2023-08-10 00:34:11 UTC

> It's vaporware, there'll never be working code
> Ok, there's working code but no sidechains
> Ok, there's sidechains but no one will need them, we have lightning
> Ok, lightning isn't all it's craked up to be but we have Ark now <----- YOU ARE HERE
> Ok, Ark is not all it's cracked up to be, we need sidechains
> Bitcoin hivemind saves the human race

2023-08-10 00:24:02 UTC

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Almost melted my computer compiling. Worth it!

2023-08-09 18:37:39 UTC

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Termux is pretty good

2023-08-08 19:25:42 UTC

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🫡

2023-08-08 19:22:52 UTC

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You can do it on the command line with noscl and nostril, but I don't know of any others.
Used to host POW as a service on https://powrelay.xyz/work.html but no one was buying so it's broken right now. Working on a powbot you can tag to buy pow for your events, hopefully that will be more popular. 😅

2023-08-08 19:17:11 UTC

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They don't even have POW smh
#nevent1q…mcpf

2023-08-08 19:08:20 UTC

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You can over pay up to 2X

2023-08-08 19:06:46 UTC

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Ecuador is beautiful, tell us more about your vision.

2023-08-08 19:06:32 UTC

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Important message posted with POW:
#nevent1q…5nvz

2023-06-19 06:59:24 UTC

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I think pow is better for discovery than spam prevention. People might be ok with paying for pow for an occasional announcement you want people to pay attention to, but mobile users will not want to drain their batteries to post likes.

2023-06-19 02:13:41 UTC

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Where is this from?

2023-06-02 02:25:14 UTC

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support ourchan.org and keep nostr weird
#nevent1q…2s63

2023-05-31 04:31:12 UTC

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Looking forward to that!

2023-05-31 03:46:33 UTC

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Exciting developments from @npub13az…8m54
#nevent1q…5ckm

2023-05-31 03:43:11 UTC

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wss://powrelay.xyz is designed to target a constant size
events with the least POW per byte are continuously discarded
Hopefully, that means it stays speedy

2023-05-31 03:37:01 UTC

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I think mostly because the db is small enough to fit in memory 😂
tbh I should have used sqlite from the start, but I'm new to databases

2023-05-31 02:50:25 UTC

Switched from postgres to sqlite for wss://powrelay.xyz
Much snappier now. Tried moving all the events but there might be a couple I missed, just rebroadcast if one of yours is missing 😅

2023-05-24 17:00:37 UTC

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#nevent1q…kr6z
has 44 bits

2023-05-24 16:53:00 UTC

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What will you put in the content field?

2023-05-24 16:52:46 UTC

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Someone help this man:
#nevent1q…9q2c

2023-05-24 13:39:58 UTC

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It's a cool little website, I showed it to a musician friend who liked it.

2023-05-22 14:19:05 UTC

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know the feeling

2023-05-20 19:01:21 UTC

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Agree.
Maybe you could start a nostr POW service (like https://powrelay.xyz/work.html) that accepts monero (or RandomX mining) as payment in exchange for nostr POW.
That's the beauty of POW, since it's trivial to verify, it's also trivial to outsource.

2023-05-18 16:11:53 UTC

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Exactly

2023-05-18 14:27:57 UTC

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I don't think POW is the best solution to spam. POW is to prove that the message it's attached to is important to you.
Not all social media has to be about "historical context" and "conversations". imo best use of social media is about sharing important messages with as many people as possible. Once the message is out there, people can discuss among themselves and make up their own minds.

2023-05-18 13:48:37 UTC

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Good point, new references would point to the new note. That doesn't seem so bad to me though, it's not like the old note dissapears entirely when its replaced by higher pow notes, other relays can still store it.
If you designed some kind of proxy pow event kind, I would be interested and potentially start a new relay for that. I do love the simplicity of just highest pow per byte though.

2023-05-18 04:03:26 UTC

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I think ASICs are good. You don't need to own one, you can just rent one for a few sats over lighting.
Rent google's cpus on https://powrelay.xyz/work.html

2023-05-18 04:00:57 UTC

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Sounds needlessly complex.
Just make a new note, "Nostr replace-by-fee" (I don't like this analogy but it kinda fits)

2023-05-18 01:40:29 UTC

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Great read!
I guess you'd want relays to have websocket connection slots that clients could bid for with POW, then storing events could work like powrelay or maybe there'd be some kind of time expiration component. I just wanted to collect most precious events in one place but resource allocation with pow would be awesome too.

2023-05-18 01:27:56 UTC

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POW is "memoryless" in the sense that if you want, say, 30 leading zeroes it doesn't matter if you already have a nonce that gives you 29 leading zeroes or not, you'll still end up searching for the special "30 leading zeroes" nonce for just as long. So there's no really any reason to "add" POW to an event that already has POW.

2023-05-18 01:23:58 UTC

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Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, of course, it'll have more POW.
For example, I want to keep my profile event on wss://powrelay.xyz so whenever the POW threshold increases I can post a new copy of to the relay with more POW. Here's the latest: #nevent1q…msur

2023-05-17 21:39:10 UTC

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Yes, that's certainly possible. wss://powrelay.xyz will accept events with any timestamp.

2023-05-17 20:40:57 UTC

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Agree, I envision it as tool for discovery. People with something important to say can attach pow to it so that others have a signal to pay attention.

2023-05-17 18:25:24 UTC

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😇

2023-05-17 15:37:42 UTC

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Also, events that no longer meet the minimum pow requirements get kicked out. So the more pow, the longer it'll be stored.

2023-05-17 15:37:07 UTC

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Adjusted to keep the database size constant. So it will get harder over time.

2023-05-17 13:49:11 UTC

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I deleted the ephemeral logic in github.com/fiatjaf/relayer so if anyone one posts an ephemeral event with pow, it will be stored.

2023-05-17 13:47:32 UTC

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The water bot and nost-commits bot do 10 leading bits I think.

2023-05-17 13:47:03 UTC

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Believe it or not, so few people do POW still that two leading 'q's in the bech32 event id is plenty to meet the current cut-off.

2023-05-17 13:45:30 UTC

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https://nostrrr.com/relay/nrelay1qqf8wumn8ghj7ur0waex2mrp0yh8s7t6yttsar
Weird, I saw an option to type a relay URL. I don't even know wtf nrelay is

2023-05-16 21:20:18 UTC

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#nevent1q…77rp
Very cool! Checkout the ocean boilers and bots on wss://powrelay.xyz

2023-05-09 17:26:04 UTC

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it's because he still thinks taxation is a good thing 😕

2023-05-05 14:49:52 UTC

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obw is good

2023-05-05 14:36:47 UTC

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Bisq has some kind of DAO, that I guess works. I like the whole nostr rocket proposal but I guess we'll have to wait to see if it works out.
I'm putting all my eggs in the "AI will make it possible to run an Apple - sized enterprise as a single dev" dream.

2023-05-04 01:26:41 UTC

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🤔 good point. The pow threshold is: 2^target_difficulty / number_of_bytes
The current minimum can be queried with: curl https://powrelay.xyz/min
I'll add something to webpage and the relay metadata description

2023-05-04 01:08:38 UTC

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I recently changed wss://powrelay.xyz to return the highest POW / byte events by default. should I change it back?

2023-05-03 17:28:50 UTC

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discover gems like this, and more by using wss://powrelay.xyz as your global feed

2023-05-03 17:28:10 UTC

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Incredible example of accidental proof of work:
#nevent1q…2cze
19 leading zeroes (1 in 500,000 chance) for a 🤙

2023-05-02 00:39:55 UTC

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TIL about tagged hashes. Cool.

2023-05-01 21:24:24 UTC

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44 leafing zeroes! #nevent1q…kr6z
https://powrelay.xyz/explore?window=all to see the top 10

2023-04-30 12:17:52 UTC

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I haven't found one yet

2023-04-30 00:41:22 UTC

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"Relays can be dumb" is a principle we should not discard lightly.
Don't cancel relays because they don't monitor and censor their content. Even the WEF could post on wss://powrelay.xyz and I would not remove it (as long as it had the necessary POW).
The proper solution is client side filtering. Gossip plans to introduce powerful capabilities with Lua scripting, perhaps you could train a simple ml model to exclude content you find objectionable and still benefit from all relays.

2023-04-29 20:52:38 UTC

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For what it's worth, I've discovered many interesting accounts browsing the top daily POW list on https://powrelay.xyz/explore
@npub1ujs…nzxc
@npub1xjs…3rqt
@npub12g8…22cf
@npub1000…vwqk
@npub1pe5…w0zr
@npub1qqq…eecw

2023-04-29 15:51:43 UTC

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wss://powrelay.xyz will send you the events with most POW that match your query.
I like POW because it is a trustless solution to content discovery. If you care about the content of a note, you should be willing to spend money mining POW for it. If not, then it's probably ok for people not to pay attention to it.