rschristopher on Nostr: That’s all mostly right. It’s not wrong only incomplete. Mary is not divine. No ...

That’s all mostly right. It’s not wrong only incomplete.

Mary is not divine. No EO or RC dogma would suggest otherwise.

Mary’s Father in Heaven is our Father in Heaven. Yes.

Mary’s Savior and Mediator is Jesus Christ *who is her son*
This is a very important distinction many people miss (and it’s necessary to understand things like Revelation 12 and how it ties to the prophets).

Mary is not our Queen. Yes.
Mary is the “Queen mother”, exalted in heaven and sometimes referred to as “Queen of Heaven” in this context. That is, she is “queen” only in the sense that her son is our King. Mary was not anointed and is not “Queen” properly in the monarchy sense. There’s lots of confusion around this topic, especially from Protestants and even Catholics, but the deeper Biblical exegesis is sound. Mostly people don’t fully grasp monarchy and anointing because we don’t really live in monarchies anymore.

We look upon the face of Jesus, we will see the Father. Mary will see her son, who is both God and man, and thus she will see the Father and her own son. This is a critical distinction and is why Mary gets an exalted position amongst the saints.

Christ’s divinity is not separable from His humanity, and it quickly becomes a Christological heresy if you try to separate it. To put it bluntly: you end up with false ideas of Christ if you separate His divine nature from His human nature. As confirmed in Chalcedon, Christ has two natures, two wills, and is both man and God, *inseparable* as one person.

Veneration is not idolatry. Everyone venerates that which symbolizes or points the way to what they worship. It’s inevitable.

We often don’t see what people worship, but we can see the veneration, and then it’s easy to discern what they truly worship (even if they lack self awareness).

Most people today worship self, or nothingness (literal nihilism), but you don’t see it, you will instead see them venerate icons of themselves (especially on social media, or celebrity culture) or of nothingness (such as fleeting fashion trends, politics, etc).

Veneration is inescapable.

Protestants venerate the Bible, and rightfully so. I can’t see their worship, but what they venerate tells me whether they worship Christ or antichrist (such as those venerating Israeli politicians).