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its joever lets pack it up
just use different accounts then ig, that could also be automated, controlling different accounts from the same interface probably
after the id verification stuff hasn't that wsb considered moving out of discord?
are you talking abt that specific discord server staff or discord moderation?
just create a new account when you get banned, even if they know you're back they don't care and treat you as if you're a brand new user
shouldn't current follows be that by default? and the actual follow list should maybe just stay private and encrypted to the user? because why would an actual follow list be public by default when its just who an user wants to see posts from
is the code running on the secure enclaves open source? since those are mainly used for confidential computing i'm assuming?
may this not become something people are used to and find normal... thoughts and prayers to their families.
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you waiting for the bear to come for you?
so there's no reason not to do it for all accounts then
not surprising, that shows their algorithm is not only based on what you'd like to see but on what they want you to see.
if it was QUIC enough they did
at least we're not on truth social that he built. one of the worst most failing social media platforms out there.
they wouldn't even be given any choice at first, outbox should handle it all for them. the client would look for the relay list of the npub they're trying to follow, in a predefined set (including nip65 specialized relays), which should be as large as possible.
once the relay list is retrieved, thats a bunch of relays to explore, and in those relays, they might find hundreds of relay hints in events. thats how the magic happens, unless they're exploring nip70 dedicated relays.
now if their point of entry is a relay, it's either:
- amazing, a regular relay that relays events as it should
- terrible, that relay is nip70 only, all the events are exclusive to it, no other relay hint can be found
this is a completely different scenario than what has been talked about for these NIPs.
here the data probably does not hold any value to the point where people would broadcast the events, and nip63 doesnt apply, only nip70. in that case it makes sense, but the user needs to know that they could be rug pulled anytime by that google drive and dropbox, if they were to not care about the tag anymore.
it would only be perfect in a scenario where the user owns both relays.
so if that user wants peace of mind, i wouldn't recommend going with nostr. it unfortunately isn't a solution in every scenario.
you know better than i do how nostr is, among a few other things, a solution to censorship, definitely not a solution to everything.
non-centralizing defaults come with outbox to begin with. however the user discovered nostr already gives a point of entry into the ecosystem, that could be following someone or connecting to a relay.
and for obvious reasons, your third option is objectively the best, users need to have a basic idea of what goes on behind the UI so that they can make conscious choices.
i agree with you that it gets really confusing, and thus the reason why this space needs more UX designers which are good at dealing with decentralized tools.
theres a fine line between relays having a personality/filtering/curating content and poorly attempting to make events exclusive to them.
the idea of restricted access to events on nostr is a joke, thats just not compatible with the protocol. those NIPs are useless.
there are and there should be a variety of relays, because of the need for incentives but also because some stuff just cannot be done client-side.
now something i wish people looked more into is user or local communities owned relays - which are closer to the user - that's an opportunity to get done whatever is too heavy to do on clients there, making sure users have full control over it.
even the outbox model would scale better that way, having clients fetch events from a home relay.
something pretty interesting about radicle: they claim to adopt a peer to peer archiecture that's based on a mix of secure scuttlebutt (very similar to nostr) and bitcoin lightning network
NIP 70 and NIP 68 are pointless possibilities, or useless proposals, whatever you want to call it. for the reason that they don't make sense with the 'core' protocol. get it now?
he didnt mean that literally, nostr clients talk to relays and relays talk back to clients. interoperability is actually achieved when the data back and forth with relays can be created/interacted with from different types of clients, each specialized in different nips
exactly. and a paywall fundamentally changes 'who has access and why' from a censorship resistant protocol to a gatekept permissioned one, which simply goes against that principle
in real life a simple tag won't make any difference
its like printing something on paper and believing that just because you stamped it, people won't photocopy that paper. that is absurd. if the content on that paper is valuable then it's safe to assume people WILL keep a copy of it. that's the reason why scanners don't let you scan money
nostr makes the whole process infinitely easier, its a matter of unchecking a box on your relay settings, and broadcasting the event with a single click
comparing paper with nostr... i hope you're joking.
look im not trying to get philosophical here. its very simple, nostr has data portability designed at its very core, copying events, sharing and broadcasting them is what happens all day long on all relays
relays are meant to relay events, not poorly attempt to gatekeep them
its all up to the user if they want to take the "-" tag into account or not. if piracy was that easy, it wouldnt even be called piracy at that point
and if you really still think it could work, in a dystopia where everyone respects that tag, look, companies could start using it in a detrimental way for users. say google for nostr, requiring auth on every connection, then we're right back to centralized systems
not at all, you're misunderstanding this.
this protocol makes data FREE. technically speaking nip70 and that new one are pointless, those 'protections' will be ignored in the real world
i think its actually kind of sad, when we have the opportunity to embrace data and information being completely free, you all go ahead and pretend like there can be implementations against that
i do agree with other takes you've posted before but the belief we can restrict access to content on nostr is simply not true
here goes yet another NIP that goes against nostr's censorship resistance nature, amazing
no point in restricting access to content on nostr...
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centralization = headaches every single day for everyone
decentralization = "a burden on the dev"
lets please not ever consider going down the centralized path🤝
way better to figure it all out from the start in development rather than production
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the UI and UX of nostr apps are currently the exact same ones from legacy social media, theres no improvement whatsoever, the exact same manipulative mechanisms are copied 100%
the nostr ecosystem shouldnt be a mere alternative to legacy social media, it should be different and way more diverse, we should have a lot more to pick from.
feels like there are about 10 maintained reliable clients right now and half of them are web based apps...
if things keep going the way they are, thats going to happen 100%
that wont change until people quit using nostr as an alternative to the garbage social media world
hey @nprofile…vpwz @nprofile…0e7l i've been seeing all the progress yall are making with frostr and was wondering if you are planning on advertising what's being worked on to nostr users?
it seems very promising but i don't see much talk about it which is a shame. theres also a few things i don't quite get.
how does this protocol protect shares that have not been compromised in a scenario where an attacker would have control over a share ? wouldn't the compromised device allow for a request to get something signed from other devices/shares and succesfully get it back?
i think i saw theres a way to make it so that only certain shares can make requests to others or something along these lines?
a detailed explanation on how to properly and securely adopt frostr for one's keys on that regard would probably be useful to new users.
that's not freedom of speech, has nothing to do with it
all our hardware is already infected by default anyway
fortunately 99% of people don't have "anything to hide" 😂
nostr needs more ui/ux designers
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you might as well remove the blocked relays list as it does not work, at least that'll be one less relay list to worry about
when not given network permissions, the warning dialog keeps showing up all the time, could you add a don't show again checkbox maybe? that'd be great for users who only use the app offline.
the blocked relays list still not working
is there anything planned to get rid of the forced client authentication on random relays? i added the relays spamming with auth requests to the blocked relays list but nothing changed.
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if they don't have relay settings, they're not nostr clients.
everyone will know eventually. whether you like it or not.
if users don't have to think about relays upfront, they'll probably never think about them. that's why i believe every nostr client should ask for the relays to connect to on first launch.
defaults are centralizing, so many people won't change them.
how you make onboarding as smooth as possible is a matter of good UI. @nprofile…t8ky seems to be doing an amazing job with 0xchat lite. users should be *aware* of what is going behind the scenes, they deserve to know, let's give them free will.
making decisions for other people is always bad unless they're not able to, and this is not rocket science, everyone uses the internet nowadays and has some idea of how it works. btw, @nprofile…dvuv are any UI changes in that regard coming to outbox amethyst?
so according to you, the sweet spot is where the user doesn't have to think about relays at all?