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2025-09-28 21:14:26 UTC

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I feel one aspect of this is the universal need to narrow down parameters, otherwise it is difficult to get people on the same page. However, personally, I feel like I am "crypto-homeless", as whereas "crypto" spaces lack focus, Bitcoin spaces are too tightly demarcated to allow for new developments in the bona fide financial freedom tech stack.

2025-08-31 10:46:41 UTC

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So, similarly, a payment crypto could fork some aspect of Nostr and build in connection with their native wallet and support for one-click tips to profiles and posts?

2025-08-15 20:18:52 UTC

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Hardware requirements for validators for the Nimiq blockchain are far lower - so a highly expensive new Nimiq validator rig isn't even a thing!

2025-08-04 14:17:43 UTC

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One thing I would say is that while Saylor and Back - and indeed most Bitcoin thought leaders - are #Bitcoin only, people like Ross Ulbricht, Edward Snowden and Ron Paul are a bit different from those two. e.g. Ross has described Bitcoin forks as part of Bitcoin's decentralisation. But it takes a brave man to step outside the rigid groupthink!

2025-06-17 13:10:56 UTC

Would you consider covering Nimiq payment crypto? @nprofile…prx5 https://www.nimiq.com/

2025-06-10 13:40:03 UTC

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Also, is there just too much going on? e.g. Non-custodial BTC + another L1 more suited to payment, again done non-custodially, might offer a simpler and better solution.

2025-03-22 22:06:40 UTC

Here's the thing: if the goal is promoting "a peer to peer electronic cash system" or "building the financial freedom tech stack", then is Saylor even relevant? One might say that both pro- and anti-Saylor sentiments are both tangential to those goals. The other side of the coin is whether there are themes which are off-limits, which should rightfully be considered as key facets of building the financial freedom tech stack. #Bitcoin #AskNostr

2025-03-22 21:58:04 UTC

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I feel people are not interested in going with whatever is the best way to build the financial freedom tech stack. Only #Bitcoin + L2 solutions can be countenanced on #AskNostr, it seems.

2025-03-22 21:56:23 UTC

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I feel people are not interested in going with whatever is the best way to build the financial freedom tech stack. Only #Bitcoin + L2 solutions can be countenanced.

2025-01-04 20:48:24 UTC

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IMO, the financial freedom tech stack could conceivably be best implemented via Bitcoin + one judiciously chosen L1. The additional L1 would suggest itself in terms of rigorous technological criteria. Are you here for this conversation? (Which would seem reasonable, based on the headaches and trade-offs entailed by Bitcoin + Layer 2 solutions.)

2024-12-05 00:05:29 UTC

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What does "neutral energy money" mean?

2024-10-14 20:31:02 UTC

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I feel I do care. But maybe I don't worry too much about it?
I guess what I am realising is that everyone in the ecosystem - merchants & customers - needs to be orange pilled for it to go to the next level.

2024-10-13 19:00:03 UTC

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Agreed. But also what happens to my sats when I pay with them? Are they being recycled in the circular economy, hodled or immediately exchanged for fiat?

2024-09-07 23:46:10 UTC

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I feel this begs the question what you do feel strong about, maybe go with that?

2024-09-05 22:12:26 UTC

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Can I ask why you felt Nostrudel would be worth forking?

2024-09-02 17:06:41 UTC

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Do you feel there is a role for another judiciously-chosen L1 alongside #Bitcoin to round out the financial freedom tech stack?

2024-08-11 19:38:30 UTC

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Fair enough, I am sure this is prevalent. But define "not getting it"? If I am committed and positive about the financial freedom tech stack, with Bitcoin as a major part of that, but not the only part, am I not "getting it"? To me, "Bitcoin only" feels like another limiting belief. #AskNostr

2024-08-11 19:32:11 UTC

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The financial freedom tech stack has that potential. And Bitcoin is a major part of that, but not the whole stack.

2024-08-10 10:04:36 UTC

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@npub16c0…6nvr are you interested in helping me troubleshoot #Primal on Windows desktop? I can no longer post, reply, unfollow. Also, I already have #nos2x and other nsec signers installed and permissions granted. Thanks!

2024-08-09 22:02:20 UTC

I'm not finding Nostr straightforward right now. On Windows desktop, I can't post, reply etc in #Primal. Whereas I can post from Nostrudel and Coracle, but I can't see how to @ from them. #AskNostr

2024-08-07 13:26:58 UTC

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Staying away from addicts helps you recover?

2024-08-05 17:31:16 UTC

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Look up Nimiq Pay app on the App Store/Google Play Store. Self-custodial & very user-friendly, plus it includes a bridge from NIM to BTC LN so can be used at all BTC LN acceptance locations. I feel NIM and Nimiq Pay can definitely be part of the solution for small balances.

2024-07-31 19:53:38 UTC

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The Bitcoin space may not even need to build xyz. The functionality in question may already exist outside the space, thus presenting the #Bitcoin space with fait accompli. Therefore a useful complementary maxim might be: "The freedom to fail is the freedom to explore." #AskNostr

2024-07-30 20:22:01 UTC

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Well said. It feels really uncomfortable to me that I can have tech devices running four different OSs and no-one is haranguing me for that. Meanwhile, there is a lot of talk on #Nostr about freedom and anti-authoritarianism, but the #Bitcoin maxi groupthink is strictly complied with and reinforced.

2024-07-30 20:14:39 UTC

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The irony is that remaining open to financial freedom tech stack solutions which involve the use of #Bitcoin + other cryptos are also an ego test. #AskNostr

2024-07-30 15:56:36 UTC

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I think you are right it is easier just to buy #Bitcoin and preach to the #Nostr choir. Personally, the braver path seems to be staying open to the potential for an erstwhile shitcoin to be integrated into the Bitcoin space as an integral component of the financial freedom tech stack, which is what I am into. Meanwhile, much of contemporary Bitcoin has become untethered to financial freedom. Are you a maxi for everything branded Bitcoin, or a maxi for financial freedom? #AskNostr

2024-07-30 10:11:54 UTC

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That's no problem, and indeed we are standing on firmer ground when we acknowledge we don't know the whole picture. But we can still talk, and acknowledge the possibility of psy-ops, manufactured consent etc. Also, the officially-announced election result in Venezuela is much more open to challenge by US observers, whereas the US result is sacrosanct and those challenging it are insurrectionists!

2024-07-29 16:46:02 UTC

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You bio reads "Freedom Tech is hope." But this reads like dogma. #AskNostr #Bitcoin

2024-07-29 16:44:26 UTC

What is the figure, 87% of people who hold #Bitcoin also hold other cryptos? Have I got that right? #AskNostr

2024-07-29 16:07:07 UTC

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Interesting take. I note Roger Waters, who is someone I have come to trust, has come out strongly in support of Maduro.

2024-07-27 16:58:51 UTC

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https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world

2024-07-27 10:29:44 UTC

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If we are talking about forceful revolution, then the main thing is that they are largely *unarmed* peasants. So non-violent means suggest themselves.

2024-07-27 10:27:01 UTC

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Look up the 3.5% effect on BBC, which suggests just the opposite.

2024-07-25 16:41:33 UTC

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Great question. I would like to hear a detailed response to this question. #AskNostr

2024-07-25 12:04:13 UTC

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Technical barriers means too much of a learning curve, right?

2024-07-25 11:52:16 UTC

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In this context, I feel there needs to be more clarity on obvious red flags or patent defects, otherwise everything just gets tarred with the same brush. e.g. I pay them no heed, but afaik meme coins can all be discounted? Similarly, @npub1cn4…3vle disparaging other top 10 cryptos by comparison with #Bitcoin feels like strawmanning as, again afaik, most or all of those don't even purport to have a role in the financial freedom tech stack.
Finally, note that I am not in any way looking to "open the floodgates" and don't have a problem with large swathes of non-BTC crypto being legitimately categorised as shitcoins. Currently, my only goal is to ensure that #Nimiq payment coin gets a fair hearing with regard to its potential role in the financial freedom tech stack.

2024-07-24 09:49:11 UTC

@npub1kuy…kdj8 here is one for you: If I am exploring another L1 (as complementary day-to-day * user-friendly, non-custodial* payment solution) alongside my study of and engagement with #Bitcoin, do I still qualify as a real Bitcoiner? #AskNostr https://www.curiousdk.com/p/a-real-bitcoiner

2024-07-24 09:44:30 UTC

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Indeed, fiat for me too, day-to-day. I've only done a handful of crypto transactions, most of them were BTC LN phone-to-phone at the local Bitcoin meetup, to support the group or as thanks for saving my skin!

2024-07-23 22:00:50 UTC

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Thanks, but I am more interested in the day-to-day transacting side of things as potentially a better protection of my freedom than hoarding!

2024-07-23 18:28:52 UTC

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Okay, but what is next to #Bitcoin? What is the closest shitcoin to #Bitcoin? #AskNostr

2024-07-21 15:38:13 UTC

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I feel if you are into freedom tech, you need to grasp the nettle on the potential weaknesses of #Bitcoin as well as its undoubted strengths, plus also explore all possible avenues for building the most censorship-resistant financial freedom tech stack. This short video is relevant in this context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA40oyDVtqs

2024-07-21 15:31:13 UTC

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Interesting, maybe not totally mainstream, but my understanding is that there are documentaries out there with titles like "Stranded" or "Dirty Coin" iirc, making the type of case in favour of Bitcoin which you describe. However, I find it interesting to reflect on the forthcoming Nimiq 2.0 PoS having an inherently much lower energy and hardware requirement to run a validator, and the potential for decentralisation implied by that.

2024-07-21 15:25:20 UTC

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Thanks, this is fantastic engagement from someone of your standing - even if a lot of it is not what I necessarily wanted to hear!
Can I ask if you feel there is utility in pitching protagonists for PoW versus PoS against each other in a broadcast or conference setting? If nothing else, it might provide a contrast to more routine "preaching to the choir" type content. Cutting to the chase, do you feel able and willing to put the case for PoW versus PoS and I would do my best to hunt around for the strongest proponent in the Nimiq team to go up against you? (No worries if not, just trying to stir things up a bit on an otherwise quiet Sunday afternoon!)

2024-07-21 14:26:07 UTC

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Thanks for this interesting response, which I will admit is somewhat over my head. With regard to #Bitcoin, I frequently hear concerns expressed regarding mining centralisation and my understanding is that the pressure towards centralisation only increases with each successive halving. I think we can agree we have come a long way since Hal Finney & co. were apparently mining #Bitcoin using a CPU - not a GPU, a CPU.
By contrast, the hardware and energy requirement for running a Nimiq PoS validator is much, much lower. So I am interested in whether this might lead to greater decentralisation that centralised PoW mining.

2024-07-21 13:51:37 UTC

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Nimiq is currently undergoing a switch from PoW to PoS. It could be interesting for those who have a good grasp of the role of #Bitcoin mining in securing the network to compare and contrast with Nimiq's forthcoming implementation of PoS.

2024-07-21 12:27:32 UTC

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Have a look at Nimiq, which complements rather than competes with #Bitcoin. We need to be exploring all avenues to build the ideal financial freedom tech stack. https://www.nimiq.com/

2024-07-20 17:28:06 UTC

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Nimiq wallet is a #Bitcoin wallet. https://www.nimiq.com/

2024-07-09 11:07:30 UTC

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Strategy for what, though? Posts like this make me feel that #Bitcoin has wandered a long way from the original peer to peer self-custodial ideal. Which increases the imperative to explore alternative solutions.

2024-07-08 19:39:11 UTC

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On how human greed for increased dollar value can end up defeating the whole purpose of #Bitcoin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lpt3BK5fjM

2024-07-08 17:49:10 UTC

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See @npub1a2c…w83a 's recent post. I prefer that emphasis.

2024-07-05 14:21:59 UTC

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I toyed with voting for Reform, but ended up spoiling my ballot with #DoNotConsent

2024-07-04 09:21:47 UTC

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Does this not risk BTC Prague ending up like an echo chamber, all the speakers simply preaching to the choir? Where is the avenue through which fresh ideas can come to #Bitcoin from the wider financial freedom tech stack? #asknostr

2024-07-03 18:55:39 UTC

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Nimiq zaps. https://www.nimiq.com/

2024-07-03 17:24:58 UTC

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Thanks, here is the website for Nimiq. Note the story, top left corner, about BTC Lightning integration. https://www.nimiq.com/

2024-06-30 17:44:48 UTC

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What about #Bitcoin + an additional L1 solutions which are highly Bitcoin-aligned. e.g. see the Nimiq Pay app.

2024-06-26 08:54:52 UTC

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Thanks for sharing. I've deciphered the regional motto with the help of the wikipedia page, which I will enjoy studying further, a technologically progressive people with their own strong local identity?

2024-06-25 22:49:54 UTC

@npub1m4n…c2jl Kryptostadt project in Mannheim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yFneParUYQ&t=9s

2024-06-22 19:23:59 UTC

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Read the first sentence carefully. Who else is willing to commit to the first principles contained therein?
You are welcome to have interim conclusions in favour of "Bitcoin only" or Proof of Work only. But the search for solutions which best meet the first principles needs to continue.
#note1pnc…52qj

2024-06-22 19:19:31 UTC

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Thanks for engaging! Personally, I wasn't convinced by @npub1cn4…3vle presentation.
I wonder if it would be possible to have an adversarial debate at a Bitcoin conference, e.g. Bitcoin vs shitcoin, PoW vs PoS? Also, let's pick the cryptos to compare and contrast with #Bitcoin based on rigorous technical criteria, not just market cap.
Personally, I am all in on Bitcoin + Nimiq, the latter of which is transitioning to Proof of Stake. The depth of research being done on blockchains is too substantial just to be sniggered at! Here is something from the Nimiq team, the third metric concerns mitigation against centralisation under Proof of Stake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djTHvlIWJGs&t=17s

2024-06-22 18:51:56 UTC

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Just as Bitcoin-only is a massive assumption and attempt to shut down debate, so is "PoW is mandatory in a digital currency". I wonder if there is any appetite amongst Bitcoiners for rigorous debate on these two counts. I hope so, open source should mean open to challenge. #asknostr

2024-06-22 16:16:27 UTC

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Anyone for Proof of Stake? #asknostr
#note1tqv…py4f

2024-06-21 09:11:03 UTC

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Here is the explanation of the NIM to BTC LN bridge, including some details of how it works under the hood. If you wanted to get hands-on, you could get your hands on some NIM and try sending it to your Alby wallet. DM me and I will send you some NIM to your Nimiq Pay app! https://www.nimiq.com/blog/pay-with-nim-everywhere-lightning-network-is-accepted/

2024-06-20 22:03:27 UTC

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Thanks for your interest, let me how you get on!

2024-06-19 10:07:30 UTC

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Thanks, but that suggests that it isn't a case of "don't fix it if it ain't broke", and the search is still on for a solution.

2024-06-18 10:21:10 UTC

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Thanks for engaging, and my apologies if I misrepresented something you said earlier. "...functionality that bitcoin doesn’t support" is clear to me. That is part the appeal of an additional L1, that it could present the Bitcoin ecosystem with fait accompli in terms of additional functionality, and thus speed up the developmental process, time being of the essence, as @npub1m4n…c2jl describes.
Is there some resource I can look at to get clear in my head the distinction between "application layer" and the rest? At the end of the day, for me, it comes down to code and functionality, I'm agnostic as to the layer or avenue through which it arrives!

2024-06-18 08:59:19 UTC

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Nimiq Pay app now offers a self-custodial bridge to make BTC LN payments!

2024-06-18 08:57:29 UTC

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What I don't get is the restrictive focus on #Bitcoin, rather than using whatever it takes to build the financial freedom tech stack. To an extent, is it not just a question of various pieces of code, which are either performant or they are not?
What I heard from @npub1kuy…kdj8 is that some hardcore Bitcoiners are discussing Bitcoin integration with L1s, but that these conversations tend to take place in private. And I can well understand why that would be, given the reaction any time I have the temerity to speak out against the group think!

2024-06-15 15:21:58 UTC

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Don’t trust, verify. Let’s have a proper discussion on proof of work versus proof of stake instead of blindly trusting in what @npub1cn4…3vle says as the final word on the matter. #asknostr

2024-06-14 21:08:07 UTC

Anyone who is genuinely committed to the development of the financial freedom tech stack needs to checkout what the #Nimiq team is doing. You can now pay with self-custody $NIM at all #LightningNetwork acceptance locations, using the Nimiq Pay app. #Bitcoin #AskNostr https://www.nimiq.com/blog/pay-with-nim-everywhere-lightning-network-is-accepted/

2024-06-14 20:59:49 UTC

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Is it self-custodial?

2024-06-09 16:20:08 UTC

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That all sounds exemplary, you are in a position to speak of your first hand experience of the merits/demerits of all those things.
Without further ado, here is a taster of what the #Nimiq L1 crypto payment coin offers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA40oyDVtqs

2024-06-09 15:03:56 UTC

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I am not asking you to accept the burden of proof, just that somehow objective criteria need to be set to assess the L1. The burden of proof is then on the L1 to meet those criteria.
Also, I don't feel it makes sense to conflate all "other blockchains" and tar them all with the same brush, even if a very high % of them are shitcoins.
I have one L1 in mind. But I don't feel to show my hand to those who have concluded that *all* other cryptos than BTC are shitcoins, or in a situation where there are no objective benchmarks and the goal posts keep moving!
(And please don't feel these points are in response to you personally. It is just that I feel to lay the ground as best as is possible, given how hard I feel it is for a L1 to gain acceptance.)

2024-06-09 09:06:35 UTC

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I never tried it, it is sold as a Nostr browser? What would you be looking for from that type of thing to make you change your mind? I actually have Chrome as my Nostr browser, as Primal is buggy in Brave. Plus, I have Firefox, mainly for the Facebook container function.

2024-06-09 09:01:05 UTC

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I feel you are pre-judging other blockchains, sight unseen. Yes, there are a mountain of shitcoin L1s and L2s out there, and it is not humanly possible to do due diligence on a large number of them. However, I feel the more intellectually honest approach is to establish objective criteria which any candidate L1 would have to fulfill in order to be worth considering. It feels especially important to keep this avenue of discussion open given that LN is still largely offering jam tomorrow, at least in terms of the critical aspect of censorship resistant self custody.

2024-06-08 20:39:02 UTC

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Is bridging the same or different from simply exchanging the BTC for the L1? Obviously, the L1 needs to have sound tokenomics. However, it isn't possible to even carry out that due diligence if one takes the view that all other L1s are shitcoins. Which is ironic, given that viewpoint may confine you to custodial L2 solutions, at least in terms of realistic mass adoption.

2024-06-08 20:32:41 UTC

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Yeah, it is heart-breaking to think that there could be technologically better solutions available which unfortunately bite the dust due to lack of adoption. Your point about "no-one has it figured out" makes me wonder if that is partly down to barking up the wrong tree! (e.g. ever more convoluted layers built on a fundamentally slow and expensive base layer.)

2024-06-08 19:17:34 UTC

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The use case for the additional L1 which I have in mind is that is should be fast & cheap to send, scalable, and highly user-friendly to self-custody. So obviously not ETH. The idea is that a L1 with the properties which I just described could work in tandem with BTC to provide a better solution than any BTC + L2 solution.

2024-06-08 19:12:25 UTC

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@npub10mx…n8mj what do you think of this overview of current diversity of approaches amongst bitcoiners? Does it ring true to you? It looks like L2, L1, custodial, non-custodial approaches are all being investigated. But somehow, some of the talking has to happen behind closed doors...
#note1y5p…grvh

2024-06-08 19:08:38 UTC

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Thanks for engaging. I have a specific candidate optimal L1 in mind, but I get fed up showing my hand on here due to the "there is no second best" mentality. I will repost something and tag you for some general context.

2024-06-08 09:51:36 UTC

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This begs the question of who has the guts to publicly discuss Bitcoin + another L1 solutions.

2024-06-05 18:58:22 UTC

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Thanks for explaining, I now know what to do if I want to take things further!

2024-06-05 18:47:42 UTC

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Is that an apples with apples comparison? I've found out ditto is a social media server, which I am guessing involves my getting technical?! I feel I am more in the market for an alternative Nostr client, I have a few I am playing with.

2024-06-05 15:12:44 UTC

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Yeah, pristine financial freedom tech which only five guys in a room somewhere have heard of isn't going anywhere!

2024-06-05 15:09:57 UTC

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Well done for acknowledging that there are two sides to the equation. I am going with the adoption pocket being the most important thing. If it is cohesive enough, members can get their needs met without recourse to much tech.

2024-06-05 07:28:25 UTC

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Am I okay on Ubuntu? Some people on here throw shade on it, but I am not savvy enough to know if "come back to Debian 12" is tongue in cheek or not!

2024-06-05 07:20:59 UTC

To be able to pay for coffee with crypto. Tokenomics need to be sound. Self-custody needs to user-friendly enough to allow for mass adoption. Must be scalable. Low or zero transaction fees and sub 1 second finality. Who is with me on this one? @npub1kuy…kdj8 Surely there has to be space for the stance that custodial solutions are the shitcoin/are banks and that recourse to a judiciously chosen L1 is totally acceptable if it gets the job done.

2024-06-05 07:09:27 UTC

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Great comment, we need to get rid of any sacred cows and not self-censor. But where do you want things to go and what are your red lines?

2024-06-05 07:02:52 UTC

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I don't get what you mean. I can refresh the feed by pulling down from the top, but not the relay page. Giving up on poster place + Primal for now and making do with the forest + mutiny. Am using poster place with other clients, tho'!

2024-06-04 15:46:17 UTC

Wow, thanks , great story!

2024-06-04 08:54:03 UTC

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Well done, you have nailed my underlying intention with L1 needing to be on the table and tribalism addressed. One thing with L1 is the time factor, as the right L1 could effectively present with faith accompli. Do you have suggestions as to how to access the private discussions?
In any event, thanks for this well-considered response, and in particular for the positive note that in fact more lanes of inquiry are now open, and the whole principle that there can be yet more fundamental truths still needing to be uncovered via free discourse.

2024-06-04 08:36:43 UTC

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Is that advice for me to refresh? For my, non expert experience, yeah it seems buggy and the onus would seem to be on Primal to sort it, or what does @npub16c0…6nvr think?

2024-06-03 21:33:37 UTC

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Thanks, I actually got by with just theforest relay on Primal these past couple months, which seemed to work okay. Would that make sense?

2024-06-03 21:31:17 UTC

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Identifying as a Bitcoiner effectively circumscribes which financial freedom technologies are available for consideration. Was the discourse more open and more intellectually honest in the pre-Bitcoin era?

2024-06-03 20:48:56 UTC

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@npub1x0r…shtn
The Mutiny bouncer added to Primal and turned green immediately; poster place is still showing red. Also, @npub1m4n…c2jl
if I have Mutiny relay, do I also need the forest one?#note1y83…v4q2

2024-06-03 20:40:14 UTC

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I feel there is a lot of intellectual dishonesty in the Bitcoin space. For starters, financial freedom technology naturally attracts individualists, so a rich diversity of opinions is only natural. Yet somehow the discourse is heavily circumscribed.

2024-06-03 15:47:04 UTC

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Thanks for this useful overview. I feel like there is not much talk about Linux for my use case. Meaning that if most of what I need is a browser plus word processing and spreadsheet, then the technical barrier is much lower. I am on W10 on one machine and W10 + Ubuntu on the other, both upgraded from W7. Thanks for the heads up on the telemetry issue, is HyperV similar to Wine?

2024-06-01 20:13:19 UTC

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Any thoughts on 7 vs 10 vs 11?

2024-05-31 14:06:20 UTC

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I am hearing to ration your use of music, don't have it on all the time, to give you enough downtime.

2024-05-31 14:03:37 UTC

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Thanks, that would be doing a lot more than most! I am here for any basic level follow up questions!

2024-05-30 21:56:33 UTC

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Look at Nimiq wallet and Nimiq Pay app, both of which are self-custodial. Look at integration with a second L1 as a way round a lot of the problems to do with Bitcoin, Lightning Network and ecash.