nytpu on Nostr: Well I meant more from the traditional/simplistic perspective rather than the modern ...

Well I meant more from the traditional/simplistic perspective rather than the modern long-term atmospheric perspective (or, more charitably, a holistic perspective rather than solely atmospheric change). Like the Ring of Isengard used to have beautiful orchards and lakes and the Isen river; but the river was dammed, the ring was scoured clean of trees to feed the metalworking, and the landscape was riven with mining pits. Or Sauron choking the Plateau of Gorgoroth with ash and soot and oil (although it was also already supposedly arid desert and ash-choked from the volcano so he just made it worse)