right now, consensus says nothing on the matter and lets the relay policy do all the talking.
consensus needs to speak up, one way or the other.
that fixes all the issues with mempools, miner fee estimations, block propagation, et al. and then we have legit consensus on data carrier size, everyone on same page.
if we give a fuck about bitcoin at all, we should only be discussing in the affirmative, why one particular data carrier size is right, in order to work out consensus, to make the butter. rationally dialogue back and forth.
should it 0 or uncapped?
or something in between?
there is a right answer.
an answer that makes the network maximally valuable.
it exists not in your head or in mine, but between us all.
and if a person cannot make the affirmative case for what number they think is best, that speaks louder than words.
they either lack the rational capacity for dialogue and should ostracized and shunned until they stfu.
or they are bad/hostile actors.
either way, children don’t belong at the adult table.
i honestly don’t give a shit what number any person says, as long as they make the affirmative case for it. just be honest and say how much and why.
whether people know it or not, they are answering that question with their actions.
most people don’t even know that’s the question because they are debating whether sally said sue had a fat ass at gym.
or debating self contradictory arguments about too busy tilting at windmills about “what is spam?” or “what is censorship?”
if we are too fucking retarded to get it right, then we deserve this fiat hellscape we inhabit.
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2026-05-25 02:30:52 UTC
in reply to nevent1q…muqg
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