Contra is on point. You implicitly made those claims most certainly.
“you should provide some kind of evidence as to why. “
“WHY”
Why do you think why (logic) has any meat in the game at all? In other words your happy enough to use reason, your happy enough with the fact that it just is, and demand that others provide reasons/proofs that there is God.
What Contra and I are trying to get at (and it’s fine if you don’t want to look at it, but it’s a not shifting the burden of proof move) is to look at very thing you’re employing every day and making all sorts of conclusions ie logic/reason and ask yourself why am I so certain this thing (logic/reason) I use everyday is so reliable, true, certain?
Because if you start looking at reason itself and not looking with it, but at it … you’ve to start asking, well what’s the most reasonable thing that reason itself could be grounded in?
You asked me:
“Why do you assume it’s God that grounds these things?”
Because I believe it’s the more reasonable and sane thing to conclude is that, God (which btw isn’t “a” god ie a being among other beings but just God ie that existence which in and of itself IS (every other type of being is contingent), that it makes more sense that reason, truth, logic etc etc is grounded in a rational reality itself, as opposed to saying something like.
I love using reason and I reason about the world and the Stoics etc, but ultimately this reason is grounded in nothingness, or grounded in mere matter (here one day, might be gone the next age) and so on.
So get your worldview and see if logic and reason can be reasonably grounded in it. That’s what we’re asking you, and you’ve either continually deflected it, or you’re just not getting it.
Put another way does your worldview account for reason, reasonably well or not? If so, tell me about it. If not, well then you’re living with a contradiction.
paxchristi
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2026-05-11 19:16:22 UTC
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