After having a look I think the summary is:
- If you have inbound from hub B, you can trustlessly have tokens there. So if you manage to swap balance in hub A to balance in hub B trustlessly, you are still fine in hub B.
- Trustless withdrawals are onchain, not through LN. That could be achieve via an atomic swap.
- It's not clear (as in not defined yet) how to make atomic swaps within a hub or between different hubs atomic.
Another interesting thought is that if a user wants to receive trustlessly though a hub they first need inbound liquidity. They could purchase it from the hub a la LN LSP where they don't buy balance but just a channel where the hub locks up liquidity for them to be able to enforce the exit if they ever need to. A sender just opens and funds a contract with the hub to do this.
m0wer
npub1w3…t4c5c
2026-10-16 08:38:27 UTC
in reply to nevent1q…9v79
Author Public Key
npub1w3vaxva0vcrx7pnvlpmede5smvafdl69xnu7ma82kaxl9us89zdsht4c5cPublished at
2026-10-16 08:38:27 UTCEvent JSON
{
"id": "9bb96b773f50fc51165969ade40ce25bd26de3d2f7f7cf985c0fdfa4418b7582",
"pubkey": "7459d333af66066f066cf87796e690db3a96ff4534f9edf4eab74df2f207289b",
"created_at": 1792139907,
"kind": 1,
"tags": [
[
"e",
"200f28916e6ce7e64b810d5876fbb78250c21922c2afc417cf956d73006d4b7c",
"",
"root",
"675b84fe75e216ab947c7438ee519ca7775376ddf05dadfba6278bd012e1d728"
],
[
"e",
"6291df0b6483ef614bb1db7318f1ea5ad0e397a65e54f276dddbfab5da7495cc",
"",
"reply"
],
[
"p",
"e217899785048ee15da66ab1c4633b8679d141e96c526017d5e7b1991ce584b9",
"wss://nostr-pub.wellorder.net/"
],
[
"p",
"675b84fe75e216ab947c7438ee519ca7775376ddf05dadfba6278bd012e1d728"
],
[
"p",
"7459d333af66066f066cf87796e690db3a96ff4534f9edf4eab74df2f207289b"
],
[
"r",
"wss://nos.lol/"
],
[
"r",
"wss://relay.snort.social/"
],
[
"r",
"wss://nostr.sgn.space/"
],
[
"r",
"wss://relay.damus.io/"
],
[
"r",
"wss://nostr.bitcoiner.social/"
],
[
"client",
"Primal Web"
]
],
"content": "After having a look I think the summary is:\n\n- If you have inbound from hub B, you can trustlessly have tokens there. So if you manage to swap balance in hub A to balance in hub B trustlessly, you are still fine in hub B.\n- Trustless withdrawals are onchain, not through LN. That could be achieve via an atomic swap.\n- It's not clear (as in not defined yet) how to make atomic swaps within a hub or between different hubs atomic.\n\nAnother interesting thought is that if a user wants to receive trustlessly though a hub they first need inbound liquidity. They could purchase it from the hub a la LN LSP where they don't buy balance but just a channel where the hub locks up liquidity for them to be able to enforce the exit if they ever need to. A sender just opens and funds a contract with the hub to do this.",
"sig": "8aeb089069e50d11fb0e0eec22a0d120e5ed031fbd27aec998c515c56936f4ea71434c374e9b43251938f5adf148062818858a1eed18bde7b7cc75710b26e12e"
}