<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><title>waxwing wrote</title><author_name>waxwing (npub1va…knuu7)</author_name><author_url>https://yabu.me/npub1vadcfln4ugt2h9ruwsuwu5vu5am4xaka7pw6m7axy79aqyhp6u5q9knuu7</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://yabu.me</provider_url><html>So I searched &#39;joinmarket&#39; on birdsite and found some interesting discussions.&#xA;&#xA;nostr:npub1yxp7j36cfqws7yj0hkfu2mx25308u4zua6ud22zglxp98ayhh96s8c399s I want to take issue with something you wrote: &#34;In contrast, the coordinators in samourai/wasabi/joinmarket interact with the other users, creating/sharing psbts, validating info, kicking trolls out, and taking fees&#34;.&#xA;&#xA;Note that (and this is common to other of your posts there) you&#39;re referring to Joinmarket as a protocol with a coordinator, because the taker is the coordinator for each coinjoin that it wants to do; but please realize that almost every person reading this will not grok the subtlety. To them a coordinator is a static coordinator. Also you say at the end &#34;taking fees&#34; and this is *in no possible way* a correct description of Joinmarket, since even if you treat the taker as &#34;one time coordinator&#34; (correct), they pay fees, they do not take them. Considering the sensitivity of this issue I *really* don&#39;t think it&#39;s OK to write that, since it&#39;s not true.&#xA;&#xA;The whole paragraph *strongly* suggests that Joinmarket uses the same model as the other two, whereas in fact it&#39;s almost purely p2p, especially in the recent structure where directory nodes act only as name servers essentially, and peers then negotiate coinjoins over their own ephemeral onion services.&#xA;&#xA;(Taker/maker is not a static role and in fact it&#39;s good for people to switch between them).</html></oembed>