rich1.0BrainUser (npub12a…z4jnt)https://yabu.me/npub12aqj8zd39pmvkmjeuevnx0yd06c3pl8ajhchm2as7f3sv2eg3hjs5z4jntnjumphttps://yabu.meI have a pair without the liner in them. They seem to be holding up well. Only complaint is the pockets are super shallow