<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><title>R E Broadley [ARCHIVE] wrote</title><author_name>R E Broadley [ARCHIVE] (npub12v…sppw8)</author_name><author_url>https://yabu.me/npub12vzx6za9u8xhn6em7mq6msart7e42u2954mt3kzc7z7p0ux6f3lsxsppw8</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://yabu.me</provider_url><html>📅 Original date posted:2021-05-09&#xA;📝 Original message:According to this paper:&#xA;https://www.cs.umd.edu/projects/coinscope/coinscope.pdf&#xA;&#xA;PoW is also only resilient to 1/3rd of the network.&#xA;&#xA;On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 14:46, Eric Martindale via bitcoin-dev &lt;&#xA;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Mr. Singh,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Proof of Stake is only resilient to ⅓ of the network demonstrating a&#xA;Byzantine Fault, whilst Proof of Work is resilient up to the ½ threshold.&#xA;You can explore prior research here:&#xA;https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Independent of the security thresholds, Proof of Stake requires other&#xA;trade-offs which are incompatible with Bitcoin&#39;s objective (to be a&#xA;trustless digital cash) — specifically the famous &#34;security vs. liveness&#34;&#xA;guarantee.  Digital cash is not useful if it must be globally halted to&#xA;ensure its security, and Proof of Work squarely addresses this concern.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Above and beyond any security consideration, Proof of Stake incentivizes&#xA;the accumulation of wealth within a small set of actors, which is&#xA;undesirable for the long-term health of any such network.  If we are to&#xA;free humanity from the tyranny of the State, we must do so by protecting&#xA;the rights of every individual to hold and preserve their own value,&#xA;without trusting any third party.  Entrusting the health of the network to&#xA;the &#34;economic elite&#34; is the paramount evil with respect to Bitcoin&#39;s&#xA;objectives, nevermind that Proof of Work relies on energy expenditure to&#xA;provide its security.&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Sincerely,&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; Eric Martindale, relentless maker.&#xA;&gt; Founder &amp; CEO, Fabric, Inc.&#xA;&gt; +1 (919) 374-2020&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 6:50 PM SatoshiSingh via bitcoin-dev &lt;&#xA;bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&gt; wrote:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Hello list,&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; I am a lurker here and like many of you I worry about the energy usage&#xA;of bitcoin mining. I understand a lot mining happens with renewable&#xA;resources but the impact is still high.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; I want to get your opinion on implementing proof of stake for bitcoin&#xA;mining in future. For now, proof of stake is still untested and not battle&#xA;tested like proof of work. Though someday it will be.&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; In the following years we&#39;ll be seeing proof of stake being implemented.&#xA;Smaller networks can test PoS which is a luxury bitcoin can&#39;t afford.&#xA;Here&#39;s how I see this the possibilities:&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; 1 - Proof of stake isn&#39;t a good enough security mechanism&#xA;&gt;&gt; 2 - Proof of state is a good security mechanism and works as intended&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; IF PoS turns out to be good after battle testing, would you consider&#xA;implementing it for Bitcoin? I understand this would invoke a lot of&#xA;controversies and a hard fork that no one likes. But its important enough&#xA;to consider a hard fork. What are your opinions provided PoS does work?&#xA;&gt;&gt;&#xA;&gt;&gt; Love from India.&#xA;&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;&gt;&#xA;&gt; _______________________________________________&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev mailing list&#xA;&gt; bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org&#xA;&gt; https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev&#xA;-------------- next part --------------&#xA;An HTML attachment was scrubbed...&#xA;URL: &lt;http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20210509/120dd43f/attachment-0001.html&gt;</html></oembed>