2026-04-15T16:51:08Z https://yabu.me Merlijn Sebrechts https://yabu.me/npub1nal4gmr39ks45jqjsw9g6rm4mmyj7ez74lr4xk7r3l83vc5cu3zs6al8f6 https://cdn.masto.host/ubuntusocial/accounts/avatars/109/556/490/641/061/504/original/5ae8f6054b681283.jpg https://cdn.masto.host/ubuntusocial/accounts/avatars/109/556/490/641/061/504/original/5ae8f6054b681283.jpg https://yabu.me/nevent1qqs2eth8hzuxhd46wwmsgn54emx3ja758xacy9mj7agcd6rp8c5m3yqzyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2yqn5n4 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsv4xcgnva9s4lkq5kfneuyyvlnmkd9yeqcujcuz3lja4sk9def57qn8u7gv'>nevent1q…u7gv</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Le-le-le-lego! 2025-09-13T22:46:27Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqsdjxa7cwm6nqwc7de8y72jrg4rmu56qhygtczgf45xmzhuq3hqspgzyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy27tla8g In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsxp6yajqk22etses8tkqgh2rz4yjxggjgmry87zqkx5s4yydhc7ugvr4psx'>nevent1q…4psx</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>You can find the official response from the Ubuntu Community Council here: <a href="https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/on-discourse-rules-about-politics/66986">https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/on-discourse-rules-about-politics/66986</a><br/><br/>We&#39;re all volunteers and I&#39;ve been working all day and working on policy changes and updates in between my day-job. We chose to first update the policies before adding an official response. Maybe we should&#39;ve done it in a different order. 2025-09-08T15:04:17Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqs8fnwlwhpq2ecf5nezvss9kuhattld6nxemm0q5pcyj3kjn3ntggqzyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy28qc0qk Welp, it looks like it might be best to avoid traveling to the US for a while.<br/><br/><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained</a> 2025-03-20T18:33:46Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqsyuytdcqsh36w69mytnwn4hys5kx2lnem5lxunsp2k4k5tgysuqcczyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2m3u9xr In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs040tjfcmjlx7rcetk4pmja66c220p370tj6txf4tmmpz4e5c8hxscx6ldz'>nevent1q…6ldz</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>If the DB is EUPL, then your modifications to the database need to be open source. Not the rest of your application. The EUPL is a &#34;weak copyleft&#34; license.<br/><br/>However, I want to add that most questions about copyleft licenses are answered by &#34;you can&#39;t know unless a judge tells you&#34;. This is the exact reason why many companies avoid copyleft licenses.<br/><br/>I think you&#39;re right in going towards the permissive route if that&#39;s something you have an issue with. 2024-08-18T16:16:59Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqszelw9qsvx3azpu4vllx4lc72jqsx3w3w8gw8uuuzzm4r6rc8f6pszyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2fd8v9g In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsw9q530h0du463ygfda95vpqttzlqeple4e7ef9h7n27t64qxv88sdtjp3g'>nevent1q…jp3g</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Just wanted to note that this is the same legal grey zone as the GPL&#39;s copyleft language. Large enterprises will often err towards the safe side, which is exactly what we want. We want companies to avoid copyleft software if they&#39;re not comfortable open sourcing their modifications. 2024-08-18T15:59:34Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqsgwng9cxx9mf9cq2ha9jw70fppf4v6pmha9wq6jylgpn970qsjngczyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2xcx8jl In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsv038a3hkvtger6jmtpx8ryteevsxw2ktg4ev9wyje62a5f9ts07gp0n707'>nevent1q…n707</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>But I don&#39;t think it matters much whether it will hold up in court.<br/><br/>What you&#39;re saying is that the EUPL either does not work, or is an EULA. This is false, because the EUPL copyleft functions by equating SaaS to distribution.<br/><br/>If this holds up in court, the EUPL is not limiting &#34;usage&#34; but limiting &#34;distribution&#34;. If it does not hold up in court, then the EUPL is still not limiting &#34;usage&#34;. 2024-08-18T15:49:48Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqsd95gpj3ja9lfw9qmf8vxgra26k5e03ch4qkys0l3y43vywan5a3czyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2gvqmxs In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs8ptsqupt4cf9sthcde4xcy2tz52ahrtv08lkcj0cuejy0fq509pgn0tct9'>nevent1q…tct9</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>In case of the EUPL, it argues that that simply giving users access to the core functionality of a piece of software makes you a distributor. Whether code executes server-side or client-side doesn&#39;t matter. What matters is whether you give users access only to results (=SaaS is running software) or to the entire software functionality (=SaaS is distributing software). 2024-08-18T15:41:54Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqsd3fhyslu2ae4j7dvtwztwnap6pkqac6zaekemje9ys2wuxl9zc0qzyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2ad4a3j In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsd6rezk7ymmf9kfaj7tdrcpeevj0e4hs7fvd0wmnt3wsm22h293sswsy8gn'>nevent1q…y8gn</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>Right, results indeed don&#39;t hold the original copyright. Performances do, results don&#39;t. 2024-08-18T15:38:42Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqs8jcrajgv2rm8zzcz08r63xpw579st2dhcrnz22fxnraasv8x9vrszyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2zrp2tl In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsduvj3gzs2m0lgaxp8wfmfe69s7xhranmp0w088g0lmpzk6l8t5eszdd4qh'>nevent1q…d4qh</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>It indeed is. Copyright law also covers playing the music in public. You do not have to transmit the work itself to fall under distribution. Transmitting an execution of the work is enough to make you a distributor. 2024-08-18T15:16:50Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqszx4er7vyw5y8nyjm30k6g692sv7sly7hxx5x6ukfjmafq92j57pgzyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2le8u0t In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsrclcq03mm0nmdkeysysrlkkse7qx0zc684828c8q3dvsg52a5k7q9mh87j'>nevent1q…h87j</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>I&#39;m happy to send you more references, but I also want to clarify that EU is governed under civil law, not common law (like the US). This means the concept of legal precedent is not used as it is in the US. Precedent case law is non-binding. 2024-08-18T15:09:54Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqsxnmjdgtk7rdrp9nsqf6sq8aljud32mk6mqm5q8twmqhkeec79c9szyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy22dfy03 In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqsqqs3fh9vqmsxllf6dw4f6jh4j60k4dknzqg86gjwlmc93rsgqqmg6qevt8'>nevent1q…evt8</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>The difference between &#34;sharing output&#34; vs &#34;sharing the work&#34; is in whether you give users access to a core piece of software&#39;s functionality.<br/><br/>Sending the result of a database query to your users is not &#34;communicating&#34;. However, allowing users to run arbitrary queries as if it was their DB is &#34;communicating&#34;.<br/><br/>The concept ensures that users accessing a piece of software remotely get the same freedoms and rights as users running the software locally. 2024-08-18T15:01:19Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqsqqs3fh9vqmsxllf6dw4f6jh4j60k4dknzqg86gjwlmc93rsgqqmgzyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy239mx5p In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs93tatn0trg94ua4tgalpr89xltnqdfx5fhw35ctwa9dke80y0xqgrn7n6k'>nevent1q…7n6k</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>The concept of &#34;Communication to the public&#34; is part of the 2001 InfoSoc Directive.<br/><br/>&gt;[communication to the public] should be understood in a broad sense covering all communication to the public not present at the place where the communication originates. This right should cover any such transmission or retransmission of a work to the public by wire or wireless means, including broadcasting. This right should not cover any other acts.<br/><br/>This includes SaaS 2024-08-18T14:56:36Z https://yabu.me/nevent1qqs93tatn0trg94ua4tgalpr89xltnqdfx5fhw35ctwa9dke80y0xqgzyz0h74rvwyk6zkjgz2pc4rg0wh0vjtmyt6huw56mcw8u79nznrjy2rjnvpm In reply to <a href='/nevent1qqs95k5f2mgz4nyaxkz22d90uend83dg7j7z0ndc7drj6yce65m808qjny0e3'>nevent1q…y0e3</a><br/>_________________________<br/><br/>This is simply not how copyright law works.<br/><br/>The EUPL does not limit usage, it limits distribution. It explicitly equates SaaS to distribution [1]. This is a common concept in EU copyright law called &#34;Communication to the public&#34;.<br/><br/>When you show a movie to an audience, you are a distributor, not a user. When you give others access to a running instance of EUPL code, you are equally a distributor, not an end user.<br/><br/>[1]: <a href="https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/eupl/how-use-eupl#heading4967">https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/eupl/how-use-eupl#heading4967</a> 2024-08-18T14:53:44Z